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Phill Neville is my main worry in midfield contributed nothing the other night surely Barkley could do a lot better than that along side the other good midfielders???!

Neville wont be in midfield any more, if not gibson, osman, fellaini is injured again.

It will now be

Mirallas Osman Fellaini Gibson Pienaar


or at least so i pray it will be.
 

Neville wont be in midfield any more, if not gibson, osman, fellaini is injured again.

It will now be

Mirallas Osman Fellaini Gibson Pienaar


or at least so i pray it will be.

moyes had refused to move fellaini backto help out before, and he would rather play our best cb out of position than move Neville to the ONLY position on the pitch he isn't a complete liability at.
 
the transfer window was underwhelming but we have been tough to beat even with our best players out or not being in full top form.
play crap + still get results is always a sign of a team who can go on to win things come crunch time.
Man United, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool all away, Man City at home ..... well any team who wants to be in europe would have to get good results from that lot , and we are as good as any at getting results against those teams .
we need to raise our game and stay fit , but its so on. we have the players , now they just have to show the heart passion and desire to get stuck into these teams with no fear. unleash the dogs of war as they say.
 
I stopped playing attention late afternoon yesterday as after the Negredo deal was nixed, I had developed a sinking feeling and needed to stop seeing David Beckham's and Harry Redknapp's irritating faces on screen. Woke up at 2am and couldn't resist checking to see what we had done, of course nothing of substance and my initial reaction was bitter disappointment. I know we've got this lad John Barnes from Stonesly or whatever, name sounds sort of familiar but I've never heard of him. He'll probably turn out to be a great signing but certainly not what is going to push us over the top. But in general whenever I am stressed or frustrated at a situation out of my control my natural response is to try and take a step back, rationalise why things happened the way they did, and accept it.

What I'd like to believe? David Moyes had been given discretion with a limited but not unsubstantial amount of funds to bring in a player or two to shore up the midfield and attack and help us achieve 4th and/or an FA cup. He didn't see anyone out there worth the cash and so is saving his dry powder for the summer. Had he been planning to walk at the end of the season, he'd have spunked everything he could on players now in order to make a final push and damn the consequences. Moyes can't afford to take risks and is limited to buying players that are not at but below market value at there weren't any such bargains available. He wisely avoided panic buying. He believes the current squad is strong enough to get 4th and win the FA cup.

Of course, the above is probably a wagonload of ****e.

I don't know what I even actually believe about what happened, has he been backed and chose not to spend, was the money never there, I am not going to get into any speculation about it because it's pointless. All I do know is that I'm tired of it. Tired of empty promises. Tired of seeing our best/most ambitious players leave for whatever reasons they may have. Tired of rumours of investment or takeovers just about the time season tickets go on sale. Tired of having signings supposedly happening and then falling through for some seemingly irrelevant reason. We hear what sound like they could be valid excuses for each incident, but it seems that that's all the club is good at doing, is making excuses. I'm not casting blame here, I'm not saying anything specifically is the club's or Moyes' or the board's fault, but a trend has been established and it's a bad one. It makes anything positive that the club does (i.e. Mirallas signing) a surprise and failure/mediocrity the expected outcome. I'm a pretty patient person. I am an understanding person. I can always see where a bit of bad luck or an outlier poor decision can lead to an bad result. What I am not, however, is stupid. Something is systematically defective about how Everton Football Club is run.

Example: I have been to four matches in the last season and a half and every single time they've run out of pies by halftime. I know it's a minor thing but it's symptomatic of how the club is run. Problems, simple as they may be, aren't identified and dealt with. How hard is it to say, we keep running out of pies, let's stock more. Instead when I'm there next month again I'll just bring a sandwich or something and my money will be going to somewhere that isn't Everton FC. Because I've been conditioned to expect things not to get better.

I'm not going to stop supporting the club or stop flying over to Liverpool and going to matches when I can. I'm not going to hope Moyes leaves and the club goes into freefall so the Board "get shown up". I'm just sad because what I see is a club with great players, great history and support, and one of the best managers in the game. Incredible potential to become one of the top teams in the Premier League, and to become a global brand. And I see that potential being ignored and not taken advantage of. I could accept a policy of 0 or negative net spend over the coming X years, if it were to support a new stadium, an expanded youth academy a la Ajax, and/or an improved scouting network. At least in that case there would be some sign of progress, some sign that the people who make decisions are making some sort of plan for the future and not just bumbling along from year to year. I'd take an Arsenal scenario, as furious as their fans probably are. At least they don't have to fear the club getting relegated and going bust if their manager leaves.

Maybe that idealistic scenario I posted above is actually the case this time. Maybe the board did everything it could to strengthen and there are reasonable excuses as to why nobody was brought in. But we hear the same sort of story every single time. I'm done having the least bit of optimism in any transfer window under the current regime. All it does is leave me with a bad case of blue balls.

Too right I'm bitter.
 

After a good long think last night I realized im not as disappointed as I thought I was. Sure, it would of been nice to get Fer and Negredo in, but at the start of the window I was praying only for no departures. Getting Stones in is a big bonus. From what i've read about him he has got some serious potential.
Look how well we've done up to now with essentially no Mirallas or Gibson for most of the first half of the season. Add to Jelavic's stinking form. If we can keep the both fit, very big if, but if we can.. I still believe top 4 is a serious option.
It's on the players we have now, it's on them and Moyes to keep the dream alive. Let's see how far we can go in the cup, I want a cup run but I would easily sacrifice it for top 4.

In the words of Deco; HAVE FAITH.
 
I stopped playing attention late afternoon yesterday as after the Negredo deal was nixed, I had developed a sinking feeling and needed to stop seeing David Beckham's and Harry Redknapp's irritating faces on screen. Woke up at 2am and couldn't resist checking to see what we had done, of course nothing of substance and my initial reaction was bitter disappointment. I know we've got this lad John Barnes from Stonesly or whatever, name sounds sort of familiar but I've never heard of him. He'll probably turn out to be a great signing but certainly not what is going to push us over the top. But in general whenever I am stressed or frustrated at a situation out of my control my natural response is to try and take a step back, rationalise why things happened the way they did, and accept it.

What I'd like to believe? David Moyes had been given discretion with a limited but not unsubstantial amount of funds to bring in a player or two to shore up the midfield and attack and help us achieve 4th and/or an FA cup. He didn't see anyone out there worth the cash and so is saving his dry powder for the summer. Had he been planning to walk at the end of the season, he'd have spunked everything he could on players now in order to make a final push and damn the consequences. Moyes can't afford to take risks and is limited to buying players that are not at but below market value at there weren't any such bargains available. He wisely avoided panic buying. He believes the current squad is strong enough to get 4th and win the FA cup.

Of course, the above is probably a wagonload of ****e.

I don't know what I even actually believe about what happened, has he been backed and chose not to spend, was the money never there, I am not going to get into any speculation about it because it's pointless. All I do know is that I'm tired of it. Tired of empty promises. Tired of seeing our best/most ambitious players leave for whatever reasons they may have. Tired of rumours of investment or takeovers just about the time season tickets go on sale. Tired of having signings supposedly happening and then falling through for some seemingly irrelevant reason. We hear what sound like they could be valid excuses for each incident, but it seems that that's all the club is good at doing, is making excuses. I'm not casting blame here, I'm not saying anything specifically is the club's or Moyes' or the board's fault, but a trend has been established and it's a bad one. It makes anything positive that the club does (i.e. Mirallas signing) a surprise and failure/mediocrity the expected outcome. I'm a pretty patient person. I am an understanding person. I can always see where a bit of bad luck or an outlier poor decision can lead to an bad result. What I am not, however, is stupid. Something is systematically defective about how Everton Football Club is run.

Example: I have been to four matches in the last season and a half and every single time they've run out of pies by halftime. I know it's a minor thing but it's symptomatic of how the club is run. Problems, simple as they may be, aren't identified and dealt with. How hard is it to say, we keep running out of pies, let's stock more. Instead when I'm there next month again I'll just bring a sandwich or something and my money will be going to somewhere that isn't Everton FC. Because I've been conditioned to expect things not to get better.

I'm not going to stop supporting the club or stop flying over to Liverpool and going to matches when I can. I'm not going to hope Moyes leaves and the club goes into freefall so the Board "get shown up". I'm just sad because what I see is a club with great players, great history and support, and one of the best managers in the game. Incredible potential to become one of the top teams in the Premier League, and to become a global brand. And I see that potential being ignored and not taken advantage of. I could accept a policy of 0 or negative net spend over the coming X years, if it were to support a new stadium, an expanded youth academy a la Ajax, and/or an improved scouting network. At least in that case there would be some sign of progress, some sign that the people who make decisions are making some sort of plan for the future and not just bumbling along from year to year. I'd take an Arsenal scenario, as furious as their fans probably are. At least they don't have to fear the club getting relegated and going bust if their manager leaves.

Maybe that idealistic scenario I posted above is actually the case this time. Maybe the board did everything it could to strengthen and there are reasonable excuses as to why nobody was brought in. But we hear the same sort of story every single time. I'm done having the least bit of optimism in any transfer window under the current regime. All it does is leave me with a bad case of blue balls.

Too right I'm bitter.
Perfect post, 100%. Agree with all of it. Felt almost as if it were written by me.
 
I don't want to clutter the page by quoting zirc's post, but I'd like to say I agree with it completely. I'm at the point where I'm not even angry anymore - just fed up. I've pretty much accepted that things are never going to get any better off the pitch.
 

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