Where will the club be in 5 years time. I see no strategy.

[Dell Boy]

On Kenwright it is black and white. There are no redeeeming factors at play with him. He's so obviously failed to move Everton on. Look at the stadium; look at the finances, look at the lack of success.

The only way anyone could suggest it isn't so would be to do what you've been doing: claiming Moyes' efforts to stabilise the club as being also Kenwright's. But he's done nothing of the sort. He's made the environment for the manager to do his job worse by at first refusing to hand over control of the club in an earlier period when he was in control, then embroiling the club with shareholders who now control us and have no interest in our well being and who wont leave until they get a kings ransom.

The worst thing to happen to Everton for over a century was when he cobbled together that consortium in 1999 to takeover...and that's from someone who thought at the time it'd be the start of a bright new era!

You've no proof at all for the first one there so may as well print out that post and wrap a few chips in it. And as for the second if you seriously believe that then I'm speechless. Johnson had us on the brink of relegation. The club was on a drip line from the bank. Who else came in? If not Kenwright then what?

 

[davek]

You really are a whopper of the highest order. Get you with your fancy lists as well!

I don't class myself as a Kenwright supporter. I accept he's the chairman/owner and my love is for the club no more no less.

You seem to have this fantastical view of the club which I suggest is wrapped in nostalgia. When Kenwright took over the club was on its arse. We swerved relegation by the skin of our teeth. He said from the outset he didn't have millions and billions to put in. Where was his competition to take over the club from Johnson? No where to be seen. So how/why is he being crucified for not pulling a load of rabbits out of the hat? I can't be arsed with your smarty bullet points but will make do:

1. I accept not getting Kings Dock was a missed opportunity but I don't know the full story
2. Kenwright said he wasn't a billionnaire. I don't see or hear of a queue of other investors at the door
3. The likes of Finch Farm is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. We have a buy back clause
4. Debt has increased but team/squad much better. Would you rather no debt and a crap team?
5. Who are you to say poor commercial deals? And why is that Kenwright's personal fault? Do you think the folk at the club go out of their way to try and get crap deals?
6. Failing at a few FA Cup runs has been gutting for everyone. If we'd have held on to the Saha lead against Chelsea or actually turned up against the RS last season - would that now make Kenwright a success? **** happens in sport

It's very easy to try and look like a smart arse but sometimes facts are harder to deal with. Enjoy spinning those lines and congrats again on the bullet points.

Thanks.

 

[thebluefox]

13 Years to find a new owner, to take us forward...nothing, nothing but empty promises, undeserved personal gongs and empty trophy cabinets.

Lower the sale price and let this club move forward.

move chance of dale whinton refusing a suck

 

[D410]

move chance of dale whinton refusing a suck

Don,t we know it foxy, you know that if he did they would be forming a line to the airport. Greed is it,s simplest form is good for some.

 

[thebluefox]

On Kenwright it is black and white. There are no redeeeming factors at play with him. He's so obviously failed to move Everton on. Look at the stadium; look at the finances, look at the lack of success.

The only way anyone could suggest it isn't so would be to do what you've been doing: claiming Moyes' efforts to stabilise the club as being also Kenwright's. But he's done nothing of the sort. He's made the environment for the manager to do his job worse by at first refusing to hand over control of the club in an earlier period when he was in control, then embroiling the club with shareholders who now control us and have no interest in our well being and who wont leave until they get a kings ransom.

The worst thing to happen to Everton for over a century was when he cobbled together that consortium in 1999 to takeover...and that's from someone who thought at the time it'd be the start of a bright new era!

wasting ye time davek

 

[billycopper]

Sorry to pick this one quote out but I hear this opinion a lot.

Say we had a new ground (not in Kirkby nor a once in a million one at Kings Dock - but say a more standard block model on Edge Lane) would we all of a sudden get more fans through the gate? Or more corporates? The first I can see for the attractive games but am not convinced we have a huge ramp of companies wanting to shell out for sposnorships and hospitality.

I agree. If we're not selling out Goodison how could we expect to fill a larger stadium? I guess Elstone would say that we need room to grow in to.

 

[billycopper]

On Kenwright it is black and white. There are no redeeeming factors at play with him. He's so obviously failed to move Everton on. Look at the stadium; look at the finances, look at the lack of success.

The only way anyone could suggest it isn't so would be to do what you've been doing: claiming Moyes' efforts to stabilise the club as being also Kenwright's. But he's done nothing of the sort. He's made the environment for the manager to do his job worse by at first refusing to hand over control of the club in an earlier period when he was in control, then embroiling the club with shareholders who now control us and have no interest in our well being and who wont leave until they get a kings ransom.

The worst thing to happen to Everton for over a century was when he cobbled together that consortium in 1999 to takeover...and that's from someone who thought at the time it'd be the start of a bright new era!

Who did Kenwright refuse to hand control over to? In what way do the shareholders have no interest in the club's wellbeing? Say that they are holding out for £150m. As a 25% stakeholder Bill would get £37.5m. Presuming that he put a quarter of the original £20m in (£5m) that would mean a profit of £32.5m in 14 years or £2.3m per year. Bill made £3.4m from his West End company in 2010, so selling Everton wouldn't necessarily be a massive payday for him and there wouldn't be enough reward in it for him to have run the club for so long without taking a salary.

 

[Brennan]

Who did Kenwright refuse to hand control over to? In what way do the shareholders have no interest in the club's wellbeing? Say that they are holding out for £150m. As a 25% stakeholder Bill would get £37.5m. Presuming that he put a quarter of the original £20m in (£5m) that would mean a profit of £32.5m in 14 years or £2.3m per year. Bill made £3.4m from his West End company in 2010, so selling Everton wouldn't necessarily be a massive payday for him and there wouldn't be enough reward in it for him to have run the club for so long without taking a salary.

£32.5m plus all the benefits of 'running' a football club. The car, the free seats in the directors box, the free food, the attention, and being heralded as a boss blue.

£2.3m a year not enough reward ? Far too much if you ask me.

 

[billycopper]

£32.5m plus all the benefits of 'running' a football club. The car, the free seats in the directors box, the free food, the attention, and being heralded as a boss blue.

£2.3m a year not enough reward ? Far too much if you ask me.

The numbers were just a stab and, of course, I forgot to take a massive wedge of tax out of it.

Maybe some owners/chairmen make that much in salaries alone? If he was doing it for the money it wouldn't be worth his while. He'd get a much better return by focussing on his other business interests. I imagine that he thinks of it more as a 'money can't buy experience'. It must be a buzz to be involved in the running of your club. He must work crazy hours and the stress must be horrendous too. From what I know of him, I don't begrudge him a few tax-deductible perks.

 

[Brennan]

The numbers were just a stab and, of course, I forgot to take a massive wedge of tax out of it.

Maybe some owners/chairmen make that much in salaries alone? If he was doing it for the money it wouldn't be worth his while. He'd get a much better return by focussing on his other business interests. I imagine that he thinks of it more as a 'money can't buy experience'. It must be a buzz to be involved in the running of your club. He must work crazy hours and the stress must be horrendous too. From what I know of him, I don't begrudge him a few tax-deductible perks.

If he didn't care about the money he'd sell for the price he bought it for.

 

[billycopper]

If he didn't care about the money he'd sell for the price he bought it for.

He'd be crazy to take less than market value especially if, as he says, he hasn't profitted from all the work he's put in over the last 14 years. His partners would never accept it in any case. My feeling is that he's tired and he wants to hand over to someone with deeper pockets who can be trusted to run the club responsibly but that they're hard to find.

 

[steken1]

He must have been gutted when Heyward or whatever his name was who sold Wolves for buttons to try and move them forward and get new money into the club. It showed him up for the utter billshutter that he is.

 

[steken1]

He'd be crazy to take less than market value especially if, as he says, he hasn't profitted from all the work he's put in over the last 14 years. His partners would never accept it in any case. My feeling is that he's tired and he wants to hand over to someone with deeper pockets who can be trusted to run the club responsibly but that they're hard to find.

My feeling is that him and his cronies want loads of money on the shares and are quite happy to wait for it. Feel free to ignore ALL the evidence and go with your 'feeling' though.

 

[Brennan]

He'd be crazy to take less than market value especially if, as he says, he hasn't profitted from all the work he's put in over the last 14 years. His partners would never accept it in any case. My feeling is that he's tired and he wants to hand over to someone with deeper pockets who can be trusted to run the club responsibly but that they're hard to find.

Why on earth would he ?

He's put NOTHING into the club in 13 years, and he loves to harp on about being an Evertonian. Why should he wait to get 'market value' ?

I'm sure market value is far less than what him and his cronies want, btw.

 

[peteblue]

In 5 years time, I think we'll be doing alright. We're better than 5 years ago and better than 10 years ago. Everyone on here has gone on about Billionaires/Investment etc. Well we haven't got it, but we are still in there fighting and scrapping, and even though the RS have far more money and 'Global' fans we are above them and I'd rather our team and manager than there's and it's been a while since I've been able to say that. I'm old enough to have seen all the glory days, titles and cups, but considering the absolute wealth that we are up against in Utd, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and the RS we are doing OK......