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steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
By greater potential I mean I reckon Moyes could find a player, for the £4-5m that we'd probably get, that would go on to be a better player for us than Heitinga. I'm not half as sure as you that our finances are in order and I wouldn't want us risking losing that type of money.
You seem certain that Distin is as good as finished. I'm not sure why? He's looked after himself well, has had relatively few injuries and it's not that uncommon for CB's to play on till late 30's. Plus Duffy is rapidly approaching a point where he needs to get some games. Adding another promising player to that group would be more than enough depth.
In terms of adding players we're only a CM and back up striker off being exactly where we should be.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
So do I. I'm talking purely if he's unlikely to sign a new deal. He's going to be in the last year from next season.
evertony
Player Valuation: £50m
It's a great position to be in.....3 very good centre backs and an excellent prospect getting a few 1st team games and some loan action.
Johnny is the better footballer all round, Jagielka is the most solid and consistent whilst Sylvain is very steady and has pace to burn.....some managers might be tempted to play the three with Johnny and Sylvain eith side of Jags and Seamie and Leighton at wing back?
Keep them all I say.
Johnny is the better footballer all round, Jagielka is the most solid and consistent whilst Sylvain is very steady and has pace to burn.....some managers might be tempted to play the three with Johnny and Sylvain eith side of Jags and Seamie and Leighton at wing back?
Keep them all I say.
It's not about him being as good as finished, more that one more injury and his career could be over. Once his legs have gone he loses a lot of his game. We can't afford for that to happen mid way through a season and then not have adequate cover. We need to be looking for a replacement for him soon if we want to have the depth to compete in Europe.
If we sell Heitinga we will have:
Duffy
Distin
Jagielka
as our centre backs. If we get into Europe we'd be looking at 45+ games in a season, that is not good enough. Moyes bought Heitinga and Distin for £5m apiece, but that was two years ago. Prices are always going up, and by the time we've sold Heitinga for lets say £5m we'd only see a portion of that re-invested because of agent fees and signing on fees for any prospective new centre half.
You said it's not that uncommon for CBs to play into their late 30s, i'd have to disagree. Could you name ten PL centre halves in the last five years or so who have played past the age of 35/36 and not looked gash ?
I just don't see how Moyes is going to get a player who is as good as Heitinga is right now for the same price, and we certainly can't afford to be selling one of our three proven centre backs for £5m on a punt that Moyes will get a replacement with the potential to be as good. Potential isn't useful if we're playing 2 games a week for most of the season.
You have to start questioning the sanity of selling Heitinga who is 28 and proved in the latter half of last season that he can be fantastic for us and replacing him with a player who has potential but could be gash. It doesn't make sense to me, and that's without even adding to the squad ! (One in one out)
It's a different story when you have a player like Rodwell who you can sell and then bring three players in because Rodwell wasn't making much of a contribution to our team anyway. Heitinga definitely is and will over the coming years.
Also, i think some haven't realised how important it could be to have a continental style centre half like Heitinga if we were to get into Europe and be facing teams like Udiense and Fiorentina. I'd have him over Hoofmaster general for sure.
TheFinnFan
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oh just noticed this
"I just had a new contract proposal. The deal is not done yet. But I really love it at Everton. Everton is a beautiful club with great fans. "
kinda suprised, I was in the impression he is to leave us. dunno why, just had that feeling.
how long contract distin had? these contract has to be connected somehow
"I just had a new contract proposal. The deal is not done yet. But I really love it at Everton. Everton is a beautiful club with great fans. "
kinda suprised, I was in the impression he is to leave us. dunno why, just had that feeling.
how long contract distin had? these contract has to be connected somehow
Parkender
Player Valuation: £950k
This. I always thought he looked better as the dominant centre back
composter
Player Valuation: £5m
I think Heitinga had his best games with Gibson in front of him, he favours short passes to feet rather than being forced to launch it. In Gibson, he found a fellow ball player and you could see them both imploring players around them to play through the midfield rather than over it.
He got turned horribly a couple of times against Southampton & Wigan, which shouldn't happen to an experienced CB and generally seemed out of sorts. I can't help thinking it was partly the lack of a solid DM to harry and slow the runners down. Get Gibbo back and drop Jags and I think we'll be back to where we left off.
He got turned horribly a couple of times against Southampton & Wigan, which shouldn't happen to an experienced CB and generally seemed out of sorts. I can't help thinking it was partly the lack of a solid DM to harry and slow the runners down. Get Gibbo back and drop Jags and I think we'll be back to where we left off.
TheFinnFan
Finners
drop jags? Really...
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
Drop jags?? Ffs...
Even IF the myth that jags isn't the player he was a few seasons ago is correct, he's still our best overall CB. It's him an another..
Heitinga has been Awfull in the games he's played so far this season, however he hasn't all of a sudden turned into a poor player. He's out of form tho no doubt and should IMO revert back to the bench. Hasn't he been dropped for holland aswell at the mo?? (Excluding there last game)
Back to jags and Distin. I was starting to think that jags and Heitinga can't play together buy tbf Heitinga has played poor with both so far so hard to judge.
Even IF the myth that jags isn't the player he was a few seasons ago is correct, he's still our best overall CB. It's him an another..
Heitinga has been Awfull in the games he's played so far this season, however he hasn't all of a sudden turned into a poor player. He's out of form tho no doubt and should IMO revert back to the bench. Hasn't he been dropped for holland aswell at the mo?? (Excluding there last game)
Back to jags and Distin. I was starting to think that jags and Heitinga can't play together buy tbf Heitinga has played poor with both so far so hard to judge.
TheFinnFan
Finners
spot on that
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
The Unobstructed View
[video=youtube;pBL4c1WW6Go]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pBL4c1WW6Go#t=21s[/video]
Sylvain
Player Valuation: £1m
Johnny: "This one's from Moyesie lad."
Squad lads and compitition is good.
New contract or no, i think if we were offered 8 mill for him by a CL club, both the player and club would bite their hand of.
New contract or no, i think if we were offered 8 mill for him by a CL club, both the player and club would bite their hand of.
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