How will it end with Moyes?

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Ah I stand corrected. Ok, there's a guy that led Spurs to their worst ever start to a league season after their cup win, with just 2 points from the first 8 games.

He had a good half season at Real, before doing not much in Russia and Ukraine. I think I'm right in saying he hasn't won a trophy since that League Cup.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Ah I stand corrected. Ok, there's a guy that led Spurs to their worst ever start to a league season after their cup win, with just 2 points from the first 8 games.

He had a good half season at Real, before doing not much in Russia and Ukraine. I think I'm right in saying he hasn't won a trophy since that League Cup.
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Yeah, it's a shame what happened to him. That Seville side he built was probably the best in their history.
 
Artetafan said:
Yeah, it's a shame what happened to him. That Seville side he built was probably the best in their history.
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It was a good one. As they say on the stock market though, past performance is no indication of future success. Quite often managers are simply in the right place at the right time. Far easier to have success in one place than replicate it in another.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It was a good one. As they say on the stock market though, past performance is no indication of future success. Quite often managers are simply in the right place at the right time. Far easier to have success in one place than replicate it in another.
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Yep. Very few managers have been a success wherever they've been. Different jobs require different skills.
 

Artetafan said:
Yeah, it's a shame what happened to him. That Seville side he built was probably the best in their history.
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That`s a truth with modifications though. That very good Sevillateam was built by their chairman and Caparrós. Juande Ramos just took over an already built team and were there for only two seasons if I remember correctly.
 
Frankattack said:
That`s a truth with modifications though. That very good Sevillateam was built by their chairman and Caparrós. Juande Ramos just took over an already built team and were there for only two seasons if I remember correctly.
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Yeah he was the Kovács to Caparros' Michels. He took a good team and got it playing at it's full potential. Building a team from scratch is a very different skill.

I've often thought Moyes is better at the latter than the former, actually.
 
he will sign a 40 year old rooney back from utd for 25 mil, who will end up going on a 40 game scoreless run and getting us relegated

kenwright will have sold the club by then to thai businessman suckidong longtime who will spend his cash in x in the city and end up dying from a heroine overdose in the pleasure rooms.

His only son Doyou Likadikaday will take over control of the club however he is only 12 years old and doesnt speak any english so decides to sack everybody and turn Goodison Park into a circus.
 
md49vd said:
he will sign a 40 year old rooney back from utd for 25 mil, who will end up going on a 40 game scoreless run and getting us relegated

kenwright will have sold the club by then to thai businessman suckidong longtime who will spend his cash in x in the city and end up dying from a heroine overdose in the pleasure rooms.

His only son Doyou Likadikaday will take over control of the club however he is only 12 years old and doesnt speak any english so decides to sack everybody and turn Goodison Park into a circus.
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That's the Liverpool way not the Everton way lad
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Not sure I agree with that. We've won plenty of games when playing badly. All those 1-0 results are hardly a sign of a manager and team that can't win ugly. If anything it's the lack of champagne football we've been lacking.

For what it's worth I can't see him at a Man City type club either, because these kind of clubs generally buy their way to quick results rather than investing in the long-term. I don't think that's the right approach, and it's clearly not an approach that would suit Moyes well.

I just think it's sad that his lack of trophies are used as a stick to bash the man with. To win a cup you need to win maybe 6/7 games. To finish high up in the league takes 38. I know which I'd hold in higher esteem, and it's a fact that no club has consistently out done us during the Moyes era without spending vastly more than we've had available.

Sure teams like Portsmouth or Birmingham have sneaked a trophy but you'd think this was a regular occurence the way some carry on. If you look at the winners of the FA Cup since we won it in 95:

Man Utd - 3 times
Chelsea - 6 times
Arsenal - 4 times
Liverpool - Twice
Man City - once
Pompey - once

Hardly open season is it and you have to remember that Portsmouth had to beat Cardiff in their final, not Chelsea.

Even the League Cup, since Moyes was appointed, the only shock winners (ie outside the traditional big 4) have been Boro, Birmingham and Spurs.

The fact that Boro, Birmingham and Portsmouth are now outside of the top flight should be enough to show how risky it is to gamble all on a fluke cup win.
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Its not as simple as looking at his record of 0 trophies, people shouldn't say thats the only way to judge him, yet he shouldn't be excused such a poor record in the cups simply because of money.

To his credit, Moyes built a very good side who established themselves as a top 8 team in the prem, even managing to finish 4th and 5th.

Yet teams who were clearly worse have managed to get to finals and semi finals which is all Moyes has achieved. 3 semis in 24 attempts is poor. Numerous knockouts in early rounds is poor. Compare that to other teams and i reckon it will be poor. We should have been getting regular quarters really.

He's has the players to win a trophy, it would have bene difficult but so was what he achieved in the league. He also had the players to not get dumped out of cups with regularity by teams below us in the league, sometimes way below us.

He simply doesn't have the winning intent to go out and make his team win a game as opposed to making sure his team don't lose the game, and you need that to win things and compete at the top level.

In 2004/5 he made us hard to beat by playing 4-5-1, working hard and trying to nick a goal. Brilliant work with the players we had to do that and get 4th.

How much has really changed, not enough to represent the huge increase in player ability.
 


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