2025/26 David Moyes

[Melcher]

I think he's done a good job. Garner's been a revelation under his coaching. He had the vision to plug the gap at RB with O'Brien last year.
But I'm just bored of him, he's been such a big part of my trophyless life as an evertonian.
Villa sacked Gerrard and went out and got the fella who's won more europa leagues than he knows what to do with. He turned them around straight away.
Fair play to Moyes, he brought stability, thanks for the season and a half.

This is exactly it. He has done a good job of steadying the ship and it was what was needed at the time but it isn't needed beyond this season if we want to push on.

I understand the fears of the 'be careful what you wish for' camp but honestly, let's try a bit of positivity. There's plenty of teams a change works out well for and it doesn't always take years to achieve, we could end up with an Emery/Iraiola/Glasner outcome.

We've got to twist at some point, why not now before we waste another years transfer budget on players a new manager might not want and have our risk averse manager alienate our younger players further.

 

[Toffeepot]

61 to 39% want him to stay according to poll thread but reading in here it would seem 80-20 want him out.
Shows why bad news travels faster

 

[davek]

61 to 39% want him to stay according to poll thread but reading in here it would seem 80-20 want him out.
Shows why bad news travels faster

It's because there's been no poll reset...as you well know.

Set a new poll and see the opinions you get...

 

[davids]

It's because there's been no poll reset...as you well know.

Set a new poll and see the opinions you get...

To be fair if there hadn't be a couple of individual player errors and we'd won 3-2 then the vote would be another 60%+ in favour,it'd change after every result.

 

[MikeH72]

It's because there's been no poll reset...as you well know.

Set a new poll and see the opinions you get...

Set one up Dave (fwiw I am in the camp of I would prefer to shake his hand and move on in the summer, if nothing else to move this eye bleedingly boring debate along)

 

[davek]

To be fair if there hadn't be a couple of individual player errors and we'd won 3-2 then the vote would be another 60%+ in favour,it'd change after every result.

If ifs and ands were pots and pans.

 

[davek]

Set one up Dave (fwiw I am in the camp of I would prefer to shake his hand and move on in the summer, if nothing else to move this eye bleedingly boring debate along)

Why should I set one up? I know what the result will be. The claim is by others that the current % are relevant still. Prove it...

 

[Lanolin]

Set one up Dave (fwiw I am in the camp of I would prefer to shake his hand and move on in the summer, if nothing else to move this eye bleedingly boring debate along)

The debate will just start again with a new manager to some extent, and I don't even mind that. We all want to see Everton winning and being generally boss and when we're not people will get a bit narky and moan about stuff. It happens at every club despite some people acting like it's completely unfathomable when people have a bit of a whinge after bad results.

The issue is obviously slightly compounded in Moyes's case because we've been here before and know him inside out so there's not a lot of scope for changing people's minds but I don't mind the whole managerial debate being ongoing apart from when people just make it an agenda and turn literally every single thing into a massive deal that falls at the manager's feet.

 

[toffeeblue9]

This is exactly it. He has done a good job of steadying the ship and it was what was needed at the time but it isn't needed beyond this season if we want to push on.

I understand the fears of the 'be careful what you wish for' camp but honestly, let's try a bit of positivity. There's plenty of teams a change works out well for and it doesn't always take years to achieve, we could end up with an Emery/Iraiola/Glasner outcome.

We've got to twist at some point, why not now before we waste another years transfer budget on players a new manager might not want and have our risk averse manager alienate our younger players further.

I take the point. I'm still in the camp of thinking that his contract length was absolutely spot on.

Essentially in his first 6 months, the remit was to keep us up and he did that comfortably.

In the 1st full season, I'd have thought (and opinion on here seemed to be in agreement) that the remit should be to have us comfortably mid-table, away from any relegation worries and, ideally, in the top half. As things stand, that's the case.

In the 2nd full season, if you want to carry on the trajectory, we should be qualifying for Europe. At that point it feels like a natural time to take stock of whether we've achieved all of that.

I get people being bored of him, but I find the argument that we should get rid of him early when he's currently on track to deliver what most people thought was a fair target to be a bit illogical.

I also accept the argument that once we can all agree we are stabilised and in a good shape with the squad, we should perhaps be thinking about progressing, which is again why I think the contract length is perfect.

 

[Gilbert..]

I think he's done a good job. Garner's been a revelation under his coaching. He had the vision to plug the gap at RB with O'Brien last year.
But I'm just bored of him, he's been such a big part of my trophyless life as an evertonian.
Villa sacked Gerrard and went out and got the fella who's won more europa leagues than he knows what to do with. He turned them around straight away.
Fair play to Moyes, he brought stability, thanks for the season and a half.

Fair. Dunno bout gerrard bit. He was sacked coz he was doing a terrible job with a decent squad. Moyes inherited a very basic squad and just did what moyes does.
It could go tits up if moyes goes to early. It could also go the other way with better recruitment. At some point Everton need to decide if they're gona gamble. Still slightly concerns me selection wise the new owners were reportedly willing to stay with Dyche until season end last year. Grateful he admitted he had absolutely nothing to offer. He should have been shown the door within 10 minutes of them taking over.

 

[Lanolin]

Fair. Dunno bout gerrard bit. He was sacked coz he was doing a terrible job with a decent squad. Moyes inherited a very basic squad and just did what moyes does.
It could go tits up if moyes goes to early. It could also go the other way with better recruitment. At some point Everton need to decide if they're gona gamble. Still slightly concerns me selection wise the new owners were reportedly willing to stay with Dyche until season end last year. Grateful he admitted he had absolutely nothing to offer. He should have been shown the door within 10 minutes of them taking over.

I would imagine the idea behind keeping Dyche on was to avoid the exact scenario we're in, with a manager who probably isn't who they actually want in charge and doesn't necessarily fit with what their plan is but who is under contract and would need paying off the same as Dyche did and so eat into valuable funds. On paper keeping Dyche and him doing enough to keep us up so that we could then immediately go in the direction they were aiming for at the end of last season was very much the sensible plan, unfortunately things didn't work out that way and now we're in the very difficult situation we were always going to be in if we sacked him, in a sort of no-man's land where the manager doesn't deserve the sack but might have to get it in order to get us on the desired path.

 

[MikeH72]

I would imagine the idea behind keeping Dyche on was to avoid the exact scenario we're in, with a manager who probably isn't who they actually want in charge and doesn't necessarily fit with what their plan is but who is under contract and would need paying off the same as Dyche did and so eat into valuable funds. On paper keeping Dyche and him doing enough to keep us up so that we could then immediately go in the direction they were aiming for at the end of last season was very much the sensible plan, unfortunately things didn't work out that way and now we're in the very difficult situation we were always going to be in if we sacked him, in a sort of no-man's land where the manager doesn't deserve the sack but might have to get it in order to get us on the desired path.

Yeah sadly Dyche couldn’t manage to be even semi competent and had us 1 point above the relegation zone in January, which meant we had to take action.

 

[Gilbert..]

I would imagine the idea behind keeping Dyche on was to avoid the exact scenario we're in, with a manager who probably isn't who they actually want in charge and doesn't necessarily fit with what their plan is but who is under contract and would need paying off the same as Dyche did and so eat into valuable funds. On paper keeping Dyche and him doing enough to keep us up so that we could then immediately go in the direction they were aiming for at the end of last season was very much the sensible plan, unfortunately things didn't work out that way and now we're in the very difficult situation we were always going to be in if we sacked him, in a sort of no-man's land where the manager doesn't deserve the sack but might have to get it in order to get us on the desired path.

Its very questionable dyche was keeping us up. He'd gone. The team had gone. His own words of ive nothing else left to offer forced them into telling him to clear his desk.
If dyche hadnt said what he said things might be different today.

 

[bicycleheader]

Dyche just had to be slightly better than terrible last season, and we likely wouldn’t be doing these re-runs of The Moyes Show.

 

[Lanolin]

Its very questionable dyche was keeping us up. He'd gone. The team had gone. His own words of ive nothing else left to offer forced them into telling him to clear his desk.
If dyche hadnt said what he said things might be different today.

Exactly, that's what i'm saying. I think the theory behind keeping him on was perfectly sound, just do a halfway decent job to keep us up and then we can move you on at no cost and bring in the manager we actually want. He didn't do a good enough job though, and so we were forced into a position we didn't want to be in and a position which may cause us problems for the next few years. Like I said, I think they made the right decision for the right reasons when they took over, but unfortunately it didn't work out.