2025/26 David Moyes

[Saint Domingo]

The same players crossed the white line yesterday that crossed it v Chelsea. Do you really think he told them to play any differently?

Sadly, yes

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I try not to get too up and down with the emotions of football, anymore. Once nearly got me sacked because I was still in a mood on the Monday after the Clattenburg derby. It is unhealthy. Although, as I put in another response, maybe emotional was the wrong word.

I suppose it will sound too preachy to explain that it is best to take a step back and realise that football should not be governing your whole emotional state for days after a game, even a derby result. The cliche rings true for me 'never too high, never too low'. Yesterday, straight after kick off, I went for a walk in the sun with my wife, and everything was great with the world, had a nice relaxed Sunday after that.

'Useless turd'?. I know, I know, it is a waste of time even trying to have a grown up debate with you, but seriously, how old are you?

I had a similar conversation yesterday after the game, we went to the Bramley Moore Social for a pint and one of the lads asked why I was smiling. I said because I was having a pint in the sunshine with my mates.

As you get older you realise that there’s so much more to a football result, yes it’s not great to lose to them, but it’s pointless moping round about it.

 

[Cels]

I try not to get too up and down with the emotions of football, anymore. Once nearly got me sacked because I was still in a mood on the Monday after the Clattenburg derby. It is unhealthy. Although, as I put in another response, maybe emotional was the wrong word.

I suppose it will sound too preachy to explain that it is best to take a step back and realise that football should not be governing your whole emotional state for days after a game, even a derby result. The cliche rings true for me 'never too high, never too low'. Yesterday, straight after kick off, I went for a walk in the sun with my wife, and everything was great with the world, had a nice relaxed Sunday after that.

'Useless turd'?. I know, I know, it is a waste of time even trying to have a grown up debate with you, but seriously, how old are you?

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[Saint Domingo]

People said before the game ‘if we play like we did v Chelsea this lot won’t stand a chance’ but everyone knew we wouldn’t play that way. The Tifo, the bus arrival, the atmosphere all on point by the fans and then straight away it settles into the usual pattern of us just shuffling across the pitch dropping deeper and deeper as a poor Liverpool team are allowed to get a load of early touches and grow in confidence.

Every single derby.

 

[wandyr79]

I dont expect anything from you. But you seem to expect to control my emotions.

We got beat in the last minute of a derby in our new stadium in a match we should have seized to break their stranglehold. Anyone who doesn't feel down and out atm are just weird IMO.

I can take derby losses, but not with this feller who sets up to fail in them. Three losses in them since he came back 16 months ago - to add to the 13 losses he dealt us in his first time here. And I fully expect with this man in charge to suffer another 2 next season and the season after that.

Ho-hum, though. Let's just get 'centred'.

So you are not expecting me to be all upset and angry, but I am 'weird' if I am not. I am 'weird' in many ways, but I would honestly not think that being frustrated, but not overly angry is part of my overall 'weirdness'.

I really do believe that it is a lot better to just continue to live life away from the football anger. Am I not allowed to offer this version, this opinion.

Of course, I am frustrated with his record especially, but it doesn't consume me. I am on here, so football and talking football is still a big part of my life, but it is certainly not everything, so getting overly angry just isn't my thing anymore. As I said, I try to leave that within the confines of the match itself, if I do get angry..

 

[jceverton]

The owners brought Kinnear in, who couldn't come in until his contract with Leeds was done. Kinnear is the man in charge, not Moyes. he will have the Discussion on whether he thinks we need a different manager, he is the reason we bought a Data/annalytics firm..
Both him and Moyes will be held accountable but he has been brought in to build the club going forward, not Moyes.

All that happens on here is go around in circles about the Window, the answer is obvious..

He's in charge of the football club and sure he sets the overall budget etc but Moyes is clearly in charge of transfers. That's what we are talking about, nothing else.

 

[davek]

So you are not expecting me to be all upset and angry, but I am 'weird' if I am not. I am 'weird' in many ways, but I would honestly not think that being frustrated, but not overly angry is part of my overall 'weirdness'.

I really do believe that it is a lot better to just continue to live life away from the football anger. Am I not allowed to offer this version, this opinion.

Of course, I am frustrated with his record especially, but it doesn't consume me. I am on here, so football and talking football is still a big part of my life, but it is certainly not everything, so getting overly angry just isn't my thing anymore. As I said, I try to leave that within the confines of the match itself, if I do get angry..

'Frustrated but not overly angry' is a bit beige for me. But that's how you handle it so ok.

But I suspect the issue for you is not my levels of anger, it's who the anger is aimed at.

Derby losses - I've seen them all my life as well as a good few victories. But no one can accept this manager and his record in these all-important games. The fact that he gets away with them time after time is outrageous IMO. It makes us look like ten-bob that we'd continue to accept what many of us view as a sackable offence. I and the majority of Everton fans dread these derbies, but more so with a man in the dugout who factors them into his season.

We need an ex-blue or better still an ex-blue who's also a Scouser to get some passion into this fixture. Moyes doesn't get it. He never will. He's not one of us.

 

[siddharth]

Well, I don't live in the UK and I can't experience the match like others on here. But let me tell you that game yesterday was an extremely important moment for an everton fan, even someone who does not live in a match going world. And it is immensely disappointing to see a team play well and then deteriorate in game play over the next 90 minutes just like every major game we have had under this manager. I remember, louis saha's goal in the 1st minute in a cup final of substance and then slip into a complacency and give a past prime drogba the respect to score an equaliser. It was the same with yesterday's game, for all the talk of playing the team and not the name, we did exactly that yesterday. It is more disappointment when the same argument is brought out to defend the defeat.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

No manager should ever be judged on 2 games a season.

It is a poor record, but the be all and all of a football season does not rest on just 2 games. The less emotional fans, and the non-agenda driven ones, will be looking a the whole picture and critique his time here on everything, not just matches against one team.

Yes, it is a derby, but apart from one manager, in my lifetime, every Everton manager can be seen as having a poor win record against them.

I'd disagree.
We ain't won a pot in a generation, so the next thing is beating the shabite.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

'Frustrated but not overly angry' is a bit beige for me. But that's how you handle it so ok.

But I suspect the issue for you is not my levels of anger, it's who the anger is aimed at.

Derby losses - I've seen them all my life as well as a good few victories. But no one can accept this manager and his record in these all-important games. The fact that he gets away with them time after time is outrageous IMO. It makes us look like ten-bob that we'd continue to accept what many of us view as a sackable offence. I and the majority of Everton fans dread these derbies, but more so with a man in the dugout who factors them into his season.

We need an ex-blue or better still an ex-blue who's also a Scouser to get some passion into this fixture. Moyes doesn't get it. He never will. He's not one of us.

There's no ex blue good enough to manage our fine club Davek apart from Arteta who's not currently available

 

[Saint Domingo]

'Frustrated but not overly angry' is a bit beige for me. But that's how you handle it so ok.

But I suspect the issue for you is not my levels of anger, it's who the anger is aimed at.

Derby losses - I've seen them all my life as well as a good few victories. But no one can accept this manager and his record in these all-important games. The fact that he gets away with them time after time is outrageous IMO. It makes us look like ten-bob that we'd continue to accept what many of us view as a sackable offence. I and the majority of Everton fans dread these derbies, but more so with a man in the dugout who factors them into his season.

We need an ex-blue or better still an ex-blue who's also a Scouser to get some passion into this fixture. Moyes doesn't get it. He never will. He's not one of us.

What infuriates me is even some of our worst Everton teams used to be able to rough them up a bit. It’s supposed to be our highest intensity game of the season yet when I watch us in derbies now we lower our game by a good few levels.

I could half accept this when it was Klopp’s team around 18/19 and they had a team of absolute athletes who pretty much ran all over everyone. The Koeman Goodison derby was a good example, first half McCarthy stayed with them and we had a tight first half, he got injured and Barry came on then we couldn’t get near them resulting in the late goal.

The team yesterday had Wirtz who can barely get above jogging speed, Isak who is immobile, Salah can’t run past anyone anymore, and Van Dijk and Robertson have lost all their pace. And they still made it look like men vs boys. Garner Gueye KDH chasing shadows around.

Even the most rudimentary football manager can set up a team to go out and smash the opposition around a bit and put them off their rhythm. Wolves did it against them, Burnley did, Christ even Plymouth did it.

We make it look like it would take a divine act of god for us to knock one of them off the ball in midfield.

It’s absolutely embarrassing. I don’t care what people say about ‘we played well’. From the first minute we kicked the ball to them and every player just got into a low/mid block and started shuffling sideways across the pitch getting nowhere near them. Then when we do get it instead of playing forward we go back straight away and then just booted it back to them.

We accepted inferiority from the first minute whereas any derby pre 2000 the first few minutes would have been an absolute war for the ball with body liners being thrown around.

We just bent over for them.

 

[davek]

Look at the derby run we had in the 1990s largely under Kendall and Royle....

They hated playing us in the 90s and they dreaded the derby coming around. I remember their sense of fear. They had a lot of cash even then.

Never mind us being much better than them in derbies, why cant we get back to even a balanced series of derby results now?

 

[davek]

There's no ex blue good enough to manage our fine club Davek apart from Arteta who's not currently available

I'd even put Baines in charge. He's local (although a Kopite...but so too was Reidy) and he knows these players and most importantly he knows the score in terms of a derby.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

As much as I love Baines he's not managerial material in my opinion. He's not assertive enough to be a manager

I'd even put Baines in charge. He's local (although a Kopite...but so too was Reidy) and he knows these players and most importantly he knows the score in terms of a derby.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'd even put Baines in charge. He's local (although a Kopite...but so too was Reidy) and he knows these players and most importantly he knows the score in terms of a derby.

Carsley would be a bold appointment, he’s got a decent mentality. He’d probably be my first choice if it had to be an ex player. I don’t think TFG will go that route though.