2025/26 David Moyes

[PITA]

Yeah 10 points is quite a significant improvement actually. We spent £100m in the summer which is chicken feed compared to what the rest of the league have spent in the last few years.

Notwithstanding the fact that 24 from 15 equates to 61 points, i.e. 13 more than 48.

Then again, 13 extra points is not really a lot.

 

[Toffeepot]

I repeat: I am not furious or fuming. I'm just not impressed, because as I've stated umpteen times before - this is a piss poor league.

Moyes' post match comments annoy me though. He's gone back on his summer claim that he was targeting Europe...now there's an expectation of it he denies it and says everyone needs to remember where we've come from.


David Moyes - managing Everton expectations since 2002.

So you are saying people should never change/alter their stance/opinion?

 

[davek]

Ancelotti finished 11th with a huge amount of investment

That would have failed your "minimum 10th" criteria

I don't make the rules David

Not exactly the same conditions each were working under.

 

[TheNinja]

This is true.

Does make me wonder though why records keep getting broken in other sports. People can run and swim faster, jump higher and longer and can throw further. Golf courses are being lengthened because players can hit it further (although I do appreciate that equipment is better).

Football seems to being left behind. You would think that with advances around training, diets, sports science et al, that footballers would be getting better not worse.

In context, those sports don't have people trying to stop you from doing something i.e. attack trying to score, defence trying to stop you.

If attackers are better, it follows that defenders are also better and status quo ensues.

 

[davek]

So you are saying people should never change/alter their stance/opinion?

If results underline his previous stated position that a European spot is possible - why on earth would he change his mind and then say it's something that should not be expected?

Over to you...

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

This is true.

Does make me wonder though why records keep getting broken in other sports. People can run and swim faster, jump higher and longer and can throw further. Golf courses are being lengthened because players can hit it further (although I do appreciate that equipment is better).

Football seems to being left behind. You would think that with advances around training, diets, sports science et al, that footballers would be getting better not worse.

In athletics a lot of it is down to special equipment. They are wearing bouncier shoes that make it easier to run long distances stances faster. Dietary and other sports science improvements also help.

And that’s without even getting into “performance enhancers” which are out with the legal boundaries l.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Notwithstanding the fact that 24 from 15 equates to 61 points, i.e. 13 more than 48.

Then again, 13 extra points is not really a lot.

Yeah, but you’d have to calculate it vs the PPG Dyche was in last season when he was jettisoned and extrapolate that over a full season to get a more accurate impression of the improvement. We had already made massive strides by the end of last season.

 

[PITA]

In context, those sports don't have people trying to stop you from doing something i.e. attack trying to score, defence trying to stop you.

If attackers are better, it follows that defenders are also better and status quo ensues.

I understand that and accept that all footballers are getting better. Defenders as well as attackers.

 

[davek]

I dunno, I like them. Bound to upset Dave, this:

David Moyes is widely regarded as an all-time great Everton manager primarily because he brought stability, consistency, and restored pride to the club during a period when they were struggling.
Here is a breakdown of the key reasons for his legendary status at Goodison Park:
Stability and Transformation
* Restoring Order: Moyes arrived in March 2002 when Everton were battling relegation. He immediately stabilised the club, famously proclaiming Everton as "The People's Club."
* Long Tenure: His 11-year spell (2002–2013) provided an immense period of stability, which is a rarity in modern football, allowing him to build a coherent, long-term project.
* Consistency with Limited Resources: Year after year, Moyes managed to guide Everton to top-half finishes, consistently punching above their financial weight when compared to the Premier League's "Big Four" (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Manchester United).
Major Achievements
* Breaking the Top Four: In the 2004-05 season, Moyes led Everton to a stunning 4th-place finish in the Premier League, securing a spot in the UEFA Champions League qualifiers. This was an exceptional achievement at the time, breaking the dominance of the established elite.
* European Football: He guided the club to regular European qualification, including the UEFA Cup/Europa League, which had been a rare occurrence for the club before his arrival.
* Cup Final Appearance: He led Everton to the 2009 FA Cup Final at Wembley, which they unfortunately lost to Chelsea.
Developing Players
Moyes had a phenomenal track record for spotting talent and developing players, often on a modest budget:
* Emergence of Key Figures: He oversaw the development of future stars like Wayne Rooney and later built the team around players he signed or nurtured, such as Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta, Joleon Lescott, and Leighton Baines.
* Smart Transfers: His reputation for shrewd transfer business meant he often brought in players who significantly outperformed their transfer fees.
Legacy and Foundation
* Setting a Standard: Moyes raised the overall standard and expectation at the club. Under his management, Everton became a consistently competitive and difficult opponent for any team in the league.
* High Win Rate: His time saw him achieve a significant number of wins for the club. For a period, he held the record for the most matches won by an Everton manager in the Premier League.
In essence, David Moyes took an underachieving club, battling at the bottom end of the table, and transformed them into a solid, respected, and competitive side that regularly challenged for European places, doing so with far fewer resources than their rivals. This sustained overachievement is why he is revered as an all-time great.

You're quoting favourably a chatbot that advises people to commit suicide.

Can you see where you've gone wrong here?

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Not to mention the horribly tense last few seasons festooned with a combination of sub-standard players and managers inflicting anti-football on us.

Moyes had his downsides, but I'll take this season so far over the last few. No bother.

oh "festooned" is a great word.

 

[PITA]

In athletics a lot of it is down to special equipment. They are wearing bouncier shoes that make it easier to run long distances stances faster. Dietary and other sports science improvements also help.

And that’s without even getting into “performance enhancers” which are out with the legal boundaries l.

I did concede that equipment is better. Surely this also applies to football though. Better footwear, better footballs and better pitches should surely translate into better performance.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Did the calculation. Dyche was on 0.89 PPG which would have been 34 points over a full season.

So you are talking a swing from 34 to 61 under Moyes, which is a pretty massive improvement I would argue.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Did the calculation. Dyche was on 0.89 PPG which would have been 34 points over a full season.

So you are talking a swing from 34 to 61 under Moyes, which is a pretty massive improvement I would argue.

The PPG is fine, but what about the XG ?

 

[davek]

Carlo Ancelotti is undoubtedly the better football manager.

David Moyes is the better Everton manager.

Zero silverware after 12 seasons - that's about 40 odd trophies up for grabs in total - suggests you might be setting a low bar for Everton and him.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You're quoting favourably a chatbot that advises people to commit suicide.

Can you see where you've gone wrong here?

Which one is that, bud?