kiss the crest
Player Valuation: £35m
To nowhere you know we're i am
I never did understand algebra in school
evertony
Player Valuation: £50m
We've stagnated for 30+ years, as have a few others, however several have strengthened beyond their expected level (Palace, Brighton, Bournemouth etc), another group have built to a point where the cartel won't let them grow further (Newcastle and Villa spring to mind), and the cartel are at a point that realistically we will never catch back up with them.
We're in that group of well-supported clubs who have lost their identity, squandered good opportunity by way of mis-management and become almost irrelevant in the minds of most other fans.
I'm a realist, and I know that the possibility of us ever being champions of England again or competing in the top European competition is absolutely zero.
However, we can compete and win an FA Cup, a Carabo Cup or a minor European final....BUT, we need a huge change in mentality, and this for me is where a change of manager at the end of the season is imperative. That weakened side put out at Wolves in the Carabo Cup, this stupid matter of putting two keepers on the bench when a player busting his balls in the U21's could fill that spot, the negative soundbites like 'we're not at Newcastles level' and his absolute lack of ability (or maybe it's desire) to change structure in-game' is why we really have to cut the sentimentality of having 'safe-hands' Dave at the helm beyond this season.
There's a reason why there's only two remaining dinosaurs managing in this league (and we've had both). Football has moved on as a sport and as a business.
We go to be entertained. I can accept defeat if we at least go out and try to attack the opposition and don't fear them. In truth, bar two absolute schoolboy errors yesterday I saw some better football yesterday especially in the first half.
Matty is right in some respects - its a long process and we need some patience. But, to take the next step and really change the mentality we 100% need a younger, more progressive manager at the helm in my opinion.
I'd take a gamble, because being risk-averse doesn't work in this big boys league, and I'd pitch for Fabregas who is showing how you can challenge the status quo with modern football thinking. If you don't change, everything stays the same.
Shake David by the hand, say thanks and shuffle him off to Celtic.
We're in that group of well-supported clubs who have lost their identity, squandered good opportunity by way of mis-management and become almost irrelevant in the minds of most other fans.
I'm a realist, and I know that the possibility of us ever being champions of England again or competing in the top European competition is absolutely zero.
However, we can compete and win an FA Cup, a Carabo Cup or a minor European final....BUT, we need a huge change in mentality, and this for me is where a change of manager at the end of the season is imperative. That weakened side put out at Wolves in the Carabo Cup, this stupid matter of putting two keepers on the bench when a player busting his balls in the U21's could fill that spot, the negative soundbites like 'we're not at Newcastles level' and his absolute lack of ability (or maybe it's desire) to change structure in-game' is why we really have to cut the sentimentality of having 'safe-hands' Dave at the helm beyond this season.
There's a reason why there's only two remaining dinosaurs managing in this league (and we've had both). Football has moved on as a sport and as a business.
We go to be entertained. I can accept defeat if we at least go out and try to attack the opposition and don't fear them. In truth, bar two absolute schoolboy errors yesterday I saw some better football yesterday especially in the first half.
Matty is right in some respects - its a long process and we need some patience. But, to take the next step and really change the mentality we 100% need a younger, more progressive manager at the helm in my opinion.
I'd take a gamble, because being risk-averse doesn't work in this big boys league, and I'd pitch for Fabregas who is showing how you can challenge the status quo with modern football thinking. If you don't change, everything stays the same.
Shake David by the hand, say thanks and shuffle him off to Celtic.
I think one of the things that will define the way the club is going in the future is how we handle the plethora of bids that will come in for Ndaiye very shortly.
The big ideas and price hikes for fans are not worth suffering if we remain a selling club.
Top sides seldom sell prized assetts in their prime.
The big ideas and price hikes for fans are not worth suffering if we remain a selling club.
Top sides seldom sell prized assetts in their prime.
evertony
Player Valuation: £50m
The way we approach the FA Cup in starting in January is where we'll really see what's what. We aren't going down and we're not going above 10th-12th so focus fully on those FA cup ties.
Palace, West Ham, Spurs and Newcastle have all won trophies in the last 4-5 years....we are potless for nearly 3 decades.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
We didn't need a domestic trophy when he took over. Less than a year ago we were were in the muck.
We needed a Manager with a track record of improving poor teams and poor squads, taking relegation candidates to European places.
We should be mindful of acting too entitled. From where we have been, we are years away from competing for anything other than Europa league places. There's too many more balanced, more settled, and better quality squads in the league for us to consider anything other than that for the moment.
Today's society teaches us that success can and should be instant. In reality we need to have patience.
If (and it is still an if) we finish in the top half of the table, in a season where the league is extremely competitive in the middle (more so than years gone by) then we can consider it a success.
And the football is better as well. That counts for something
We were on our arse after Lampard, and we needed pragmatism then. I defended Dyche a lot for it, we weren't replacing him until new owners and and the objective was new stadium as a Premier League team.
Moves didn't need to win a game in his first 8 games or something and we still wouldn't have been in the bottom 3.
Last 2 seasons we've earned the points to finish closer to Europe than relegation. This teams aim is Europe.
Everton, under new owners with capacity to spend with point deductions behind us were a totally different proposition. At that point, Everton should undoubtedly be looking for a manager who can make us compete and bring a new mentality to the club. Not just tread water.
Connor mcloud
Player Valuation: £15m
It would be nice if people would ease up on the abuse/bullying of fellow blues on here,
Putting a laughing emoji doesnt make it right
Putting a laughing emoji doesnt make it right
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
But he did.
And the promoted teams were woeful. What are we saying, then? That the improvement in form, style of play was pointless? It's worth recognising that we are a more competitive outfit this year, and that we do have a different mentality. Dyche talked about only being able to play within our means. The noises from Moyes and players this year is about higher standards.
The reality is that it is a much more competitive league this year. Not finishing in the European places or going far in domestic cups doesn't mean we are treading water
Well, the point is simple.
Short term shouldn't dictate long term.
If Dyche didnt throw the towel in/position undermined and kept going until the end of the season - TFG wouldn't have appointed Moyes in the summer.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
But he did. We were sinking and he was publicly slating the players. He had to go
Now we have Moyes. We'd be crazy to sack him now imo (do you think we should?)
I'm not convinced anyone else would make a better fist of EFC right now. We're a team that still starts Keane and Mykolenko. Hardly made for expansive football
Another summer transfer window and we'll see where we are then. Can Moyes make us world beaters with a squad with the quality of, say, Villa? I'm not convinced. Can he get us there? Yes
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Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £40m
Anyone got an Enigma machine they can lend me?
Spot on @matty1878
We have been crap and flirting with relegation for a few years now, yet just 13 games into the season some people are moaning because we are not in the European places.
To provide some perspective - we have more points at this stage (13 games in) than we've had since we had that miraculous start to the season under Carlo Ancelotti.
Now don't get me wrong, we are still very poor and there's reasons to expect that we should be able to turn things around much faster, BUT there IS progress.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
I was literally just thinking this.
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