Match Thread Sunderland 1-1 Everton - Monday 3rd November 2025

[Haydn]

Its a conundrum with managers...we played well for thirty minutes...do we give the manager credit for that? If so, is he not responsible for the performance the last 60min as well? Or conversely was it individuals that performed well the first thirty and didnt show up after watching a CF miss yet another chance? I think ultimately the manager should get the plaudits when they play well and the vast majority of the blame when they dont...otherwise he is not effecting the game either way which makes him pretty useless

Agree with the question, but as long as it wasn’t Moyes who insisted on Barry, he’s in the clear to a certain extent.
We have the worst 2 strikers in the prem.
Start with 10 men, usually means you lose.
Said it before, it’s like a jig-saw where you don’t have all the pieces to make the picture on the front.
Moysey, needs to be kicking doors down at TFG insisting on at least one, if not 2 competent CF loans, buys, beg, or borrows, in January.

 

[Ged G]

"a good away point"? Ya avin a laff! Should have been 2 up and coasting against these. Having played the game and trying to feed these TWO inept "strikers" and working my socks off, I'd be kicking a boot at them in the dressing room after a game. Am not messin! I would!

not "avin a laff" at all. Based on the WHOLE game, it was a good point. You are basing it on our good spell for about 30 mins

 

[banno]

Ndiaye just for the goal. If that was a 0-0 I would have passed on MOTM. Awful performance barring first 25 mins when we should have put the game to bed

 

[windymiller]

KDH has been part of us becoming a better team, but no player is immune to playing poorly but typical Moyes won't change things when they are needed.

KDH just isn't a 10 but because of Moyes refusal to change formation (ever) I don't see him dropping deeper. I'm also not sure we are a better team after the past few matches. Moyes needs to shake things up, Tarkowski, Gana, KDH and the centre forwards have been poor for a number of games now but there appears to be zero pressure on any of them other than the forwards. Take them out of the team, try something else and get them refocused.

If you do the same thing over and over again you are likely to get the same results. At this point any one of us could pick the team because it's the same 10 players plus or minus Beto/Barry in the exact same formation every game. That's fine if you're winning, it's a big problem when you're not.

 

[Titus Shambles]

Don't see the point in blaming individual players as its fairly obvious the entire system isn't really working at the moment, Illy's goal was down to individual brilliance.

So if individual players aren't to blame, who is responsible for a £27m striker with 130 senior games (and 50 odd goals?!?) under his belt missing the target from barely yard out?

 

[kenada_blue]

That's irrelevant. He's our best right back and we have two other midfielders who are just as good as him if not better.

We don't cos theyd be playing already.

And RB isnt a big issue compared to the final 3rd.

 

[jceverton]

110%. We'll never know now. When Moyes is gone we'll get a new DOF and manager and the whole thing will start again.

For once I just want us to appoint a top DOF and let them recruit the managers. How hard can it be?!

 

[Titus Shambles]

First 20 mins "oh we're quite comfortable here plaing alright

Last 70mins "RETREAT. WE'RE GETTING OVERRUN"

sounds like the Battle Of The Somme for the TikTok generation.......

 

[Ged G]

It's not knee perking we were terrible for three quarters of that match, when with the right changes, early enough the game is there for the taking. Alcaraz was poor okay but for me he wasn't given nearly enough time to change things.

We were not good for 3/4 of the match. But "terrible" ? As I said, you are prone to hyperbole

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

How many points has Tarkowski cost this season? The way he was smirking after yet another ricket that could have given them all the points made my blood boil!

 

[mahermi1]

It's not knee perking we were terrible for three quarters of that match, when with the right changes, early enough the game is there for the taking. Alcaraz was poor okay but for me he wasn't given nearly enough time to change things.

High Everton53.. good point well made..

 

[brittcop1]

On a positive note...looking forward to the weekend...how about mixing things up a bit ( assuming they are healthy)...Garner to RB, Obrien to Cb, Tarks to the bench to get his head straight...KDH alongside Rohl or Tim, (give Gana a break) Grielish left, Dibling right, Alcarez behind Ndiye...never going to happen but home to Fulham SHOULD be three points this season...

 

[Gilbert..]

But that is why the best managers can still turn it around when you don’t take chances and are on the back foot. You change something. We don’t carry on waiting for them to score again.

I agree. I think thats always been moyes problem. He's got his basics that he'll stick to. A home side will always get a head of steam up. But to basically have nothing left after 35 mins.
Not good.

 

[windymiller]

Absolutely does my head in with these Garner to RB shouts. Hes been our best midfielder so far this season and him and Gana our best midfield partnership.

I don't think anyone wants Garner at RB but without him there we have to keep playing a defence that has gone from being reliable to being shaky to say the least. We have players that can play in central midfield and do a decent job, drop KDH back, play Rohl, even Iroegbunam, but we have no real options at RB. I'd try Garner there and then hopefully get a RB in on the first of January to end this insanity!

 

[Blue Neon]

In the circumstances it was a good point. Sunderland had a huge amount of pressure.

Its Sunderland from the Championship for god sake! If you want to see "pressure" just wait till we go to Man Utd in a couple of weeks!