2025/26 David Moyes

windymiller said:
It's a motley crew. I'm not sure what else you want me to say? We've done a very poor job of recruiting managers in the main.
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Its a strange thing, that list contains the most successful male club manager in history, and it also contains the hand picked replacement of the most successful British club manager in history.

Isn't it strange how differing approaches can glean info that supports or casts doubt on a position.

Who would you pick from the list that is the most cautious and frugal with finance? Bearing in mind it's been money that has been the bane of Everton for 40 years is it?
 

Kevsleftpeg said:
But he consistently achieved above expectation league finishes while he was hear. Often with no transfer budget at all. If we could find someone like David Moyes who can scrape a few wins at those away grounds we should definitely hire him. Those games don't make it break our season.
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Yeah moyes is better than the rest at the other games. But he needs to find a way to get results in these games. 60 games not winning in a row is not just bad luck because beto missed a few, its a trend.
 
Rita_Poon said:
as full backs are so essential, other sides are keeping hold as best they can. Dibling aint the most expensive player yet, it's possible I suppose but he's way behind in terms of fee compared to iceland. agreed, Barry wasn't cheap, but I can't see many cheap strikers signed. Moyes went and got Aznou, and tried a switcheroo with Patterson that didn't come off. Also went for a commanding specialist CM but we were out spent. Was Aznou the first signing? Moyes pomp was a sub £2m net spend. When he got a few players our football improved.

Smith's last game.

Simonsen
Pistone Weir Stubbs Unsworth
Clarke Gascoigne Gemmill Linderoth
Radzinski Moore

Dyche last game

Pickford
Young Tarkowski Branthwaite Mykolenko
Lindstrom Mangala Doucoure Gana N'Diaye
Broja

Moyes has had 1 window proper (because he arrived part way through January), and has seen 19 players walk and 9 arrive. I know it's a bit early to be expecting wholesale change. No club anywhere ever has had a total rebuild in one window, it's not possible in terms of finance, it's not possible in terms of personnel.
*He played Lescott for a season at LB whilst Baines got acclimatised and introduced progressively. He then shuffled Lescott inside to LCB and Baines into LB full time. Didn't turn out to bad.

Dyche won 4 in his last 21 games last season. Moyes won 8 in his 20 last season. Both these stats include cup results. Anomaly Baines Coleman caretaker game cup vs Peterborough. Dyche lost 8, and so drew 9. Moyes lost 5 and so drew 7.

Moyes lost Mangala, but got Alcaraz in.

We're night and day compared to where we were last season. Not bad progress for one window (curtailed by cwc) and under 30 league games.
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some poor signings so far though - time will tell - he had more money than Dyche .....
 

Rita_Poon said:
Its a strange thing, that list contains the most successful male club manager in history, and it also contains the hand picked replacement of the most successful British club manager in history.

Isn't it strange how differing approaches can glean info that supports or casts doubt on a position.

Who would you pick from the list that is the most cautious and frugal with finance? Bearing in mind it's been money that has been the bane of Everton for 40 years is it?
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That's a very leading question and, in all honesty, I wouldn't recruit a manager based on their accountancy skills, isn't the whole point of our new executive tier of staff supposed to mean the manager can concentrate on football?

On your initial point there are a couple of managers in the list you posted that aren't complete stinkers but Ancelotti is clearly better suited to a team of megastars, as his man management seems to be his biggest strength to me, and we got Silva too early in his career. Isn't that just the problem with Everton Football Club, though, either the wrong man at the wrong time or the wrong man altogether? I think the reason Moyes is held in such high regard by some is because he does pretty well under pretty crappy circumstances. Does that describe our current situation? I hope not, but time will tell I guess. He's a perfectly competent manager but he's not a winner, is my opinion. You may disagree.
 
Rita_Poon said:
Its a strange thing, that list contains the most successful male club manager in history, and it also contains the hand picked replacement of the most successful British club manager in history.

Isn't it strange how differing approaches can glean info that supports or casts doubt on a position.

Who would you pick from the list that is the most cautious and frugal with finance? Bearing in mind it's been money that has been the bane of Everton for 40 years is it?
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Silva - I think he would would work better with resources given to him.

Dyche/Allardyce - would be like a kid in a sweet shop with money at their hands

Benitez - Total DB

Ancelotti / Koeman - out to buy success.

Lampared - more respectful of the situation, but probably dive in after a brief period.

Martinez - After managing Belgium/Portugal will want what he's seen international level.

Moyes - more than previously.
Maybe to much looking for more a great/now buy than a longer term player as he's at an age he wont be looking that far in to the future, over the now..


All of the above is just me waffling..
 
windymiller said:
That's a very leading question and, in all honesty, I wouldn't recruit a manager based on their accountancy skills, isn't the whole point of our new executive tier of staff supposed to mean the manager can concentrate on football?

On your initial point there are a couple of managers in the list you posted that aren't complete stinkers but Ancelotti is clearly better suited to a team of megastars, as his man management seems to be his biggest strength to me, and we got Silva too early in his career. Isn't that just the problem with Everton Football Club, though, either the wrong man at the wrong time or the wrong man altogether? I think the reason Moyes is held in such high regard by some is because he does pretty well under pretty crappy circumstances. Does that describe our current situation? I hope not, but time will tell I guess. He's a perfectly competent manager but he's not a winner, is my opinion. You may disagree.
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I didn't mention 'accountancy'.

I have no idea on new executive anything. I expect a manager to have some selection input re the players he's going to be lumbered with.

None of the managers on the list won anything here at Everton fc.

Maybe those who believe Moyes can manage well under crappy circumstances would like to see how he does under much improved circumstances?

We're operating making more revenue than ever before, but are actually further behind the wealthiest than we've ever been, to the point where the hyper wealth clubs are cutting one anothers throats and operating outside of the rules to bring more money and players in to the point where they're farming out players to top leagues overseas at orbit clubs and managing a pool of talent like an investment fund. This operation has affected the game two fold, certain clubs hold more cards than others because they have more of the talent on their respective books, and so the knock on effect is that competition for the players not harvested is greater amongst the non financial elite sides.

Long term I can see a summer tournament being held exclusively by sides technically all under one umbrella of ownership. How this translates further where for instance 20 sides could all be owned by different members of the same family could see a monopoly take hold and all decisions becoming meaningless because of sole block vote. Back to Moyes, (and hopefully me) when that dystopia rolls round will be long gone.
 
Rita_Poon said:
I didn't mention 'accountancy'.

I have no idea on new executive anything. I expect a manager to have some selection input re the players he's going to be lumbered with.

None of the managers on the list won anything here at Everton fc.

Maybe those who believe Moyes can manage well under crappy circumstances would like to see how he does under much improved circumstances?

We're operating making more revenue than ever before, but are actually further behind the wealthiest than we've ever been, to the point where the hyper wealth clubs are cutting one anothers throats and operating outside of the rules to bring more money and players in to the point where they're farming out players to top leagues overseas at orbit clubs and managing a pool of talent like an investment fund. This operation has affected the game two fold, certain clubs hold more cards than others because they have more of the talent on their respective books, and so the knock on effect is that competition for the players not harvested is greater amongst the non financial elite sides.

Long term I can see a summer tournament being held exclusively by sides technically all under one umbrella of ownership. How this translates further where for instance 20 sides could all be owned by different members of the same family could see a monopoly take hold and all decisions becoming meaningless because of sole block vote. Back to Moyes, (and hopefully me) when that dystopia rolls round will be long gone.
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I mean, you did mention managing difficult financial situations. You could call managing finances "accountancy".

As to your point about wanting to see how Moyes does with bigger budgets, that's fair enough, but I would point out that he managed the, at the time, richest club in the world, who had just won the league title, immediately after he left us first time around and he performed very poorly.

I'm not sure how to respond to your last couple of paragraphs as I'm not really sure what they have to do with whether Moyes is the best manager for us at the moment. On that note, I can see that you think he is the right man and you have probably discerned that I'm less keen. That's cool, it's OK to disagree.
 

windymiller said:
I mean, you did mention managing difficult financial situations. You could call managing finances "accountancy".

As to your point about wanting to see how Moyes does with bigger budgets, that's fair enough, but I would point out that he managed the, at the time, richest club in the world, who had just won the league title, immediately after he left us first time around and he performed very poorly.

I'm not sure how to respond to your last couple of paragraphs as I'm not really sure what they have to do with whether Moyes is the best manager for us at the moment. On that note, I can see that you think he is the right man and you have probably discerned that I'm less keen. That's cool, it's OK to disagree.
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could also call managing finances in terms of players as being 'value centric' with an added lustre to 'adaptability/versatility'. but that was a cutting cloth accordingly issue.

if Moyes winning a tin pot at west ham is out of bounds for being a winner on behalf of whatever scurrilous rules are applied in whichever moment, then, frankly, his performance at a knackered man utd is similarly out of bounds. (giggs 'here he comes then, everton').

my last couple of paragraphs were a look into the abyss of what monster football and ownership of whatever is left of it, locally, nationally and internationally could end up being. There's a waste of time 48 team world cup arriving in under 12 months? How long before Tuvalu and the Faroe islands and even Gibraltar are invited along? Why not the Isle of Mann or similar tax havens like the Virgin islands, why not, cash is king.

All things are fleeting, a win seems to dissipate quicker than a loss though. Reckon Barry needed 10 goals by now to have proven himself?
 
Rita_Poon said:
could also call managing finances in terms of players as being 'value centric' with an added lustre to 'adaptability/versatility'. but that was a cutting cloth accordingly issue.

if Moyes winning a tin pot at west ham is out of bounds for being a winner on behalf of whatever scurrilous rules are applied in whichever moment, then, frankly, his performance at a knackered man utd is similarly out of bounds. (giggs 'here he comes then, everton').

my last couple of paragraphs were a look into the abyss of what monster football and ownership of whatever is left of it, locally, nationally and internationally could end up being. There's a waste of time 48 team world cup arriving in under 12 months? How long before Tuvalu and the Faroe islands and even Gibraltar are invited along? Why not the Isle of Mann or similar tax havens like the Virgin islands, why not, cash is king.

All things are fleeting, a win seems to dissipate quicker than a loss though. Reckon Barry needed 10 goals by now to have proven himself?
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Id certainly take a Europa Conference League, of course I would, but it's a modest success at best. And the only one of a near 30 year managerial career. Your description of Man Utd being "knackered" is disingenuous, they were literally the champions when he took over. I have no comment on Tuvalu in the world cup or Barry needing to have 10 goals by now as I have no idea what you're talking about.

Once again, however, I understand that you're a big fan of Moyes. All power to you. I'm not, for the reasons I've laid out. I'm not trying to convince you to join some sort of crusade, I'm just offering an opinion.
 
windymiller said:
I have no comment on Tuvalu in the world cup or Barry needing to have 10 goals by now as I have no idea what you're talking about.
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