2025/26 David Moyes

[Swartzy]

I dont want to get involved in someone else's debate, but what is important in one persons life will differ from what is important in someone else's life.

You wouldn't have this forum without sport, their would be no Ale house section to free up your mind and happily chat about plenty of other important things in life without constant negativity banging at your head.

Playing/watching football/sport has been such a massive part of my life, not just on the field or in the stands, their is so much more to it that brings people together.

Tho growing up ive realised if it came down to it I would chose music over football and is a big statement.

But telling someone that sport isn't that important can only be an opinion of your own life..

Take away sport from your whole life up til now and see if you come back with the same outlook.

 

[Swartzy]

Apologies all,

I have to control my instinctive responses..

A delete post option would help.

 

[Bedfordblue]

I fear we may have another outbreak, maybe even a new strain.

This thread is riddled with MMV. Remember…..

The 'Moyes Mind Virus' is a debilitating affliction that insidiously creeps into the psyche, gradually lowering expectations and eroding the drive towards excellence. It manifests as an overwhelming sense of complacency, where ambition is quietly smothered under the weight of mediocrity. Those affected by this mental malaise find themselves inexplicably content with the status quo, expressing gratitude for average outcomes and diminishing their aspirations for greatness. In its grip, individuals often lose sight of their goals and dreams, settling instead for the comfort of the ordinary. This virus, both insidious and pervasive, poses a significant threat to the pursuit of growth and success for Everton FC

Please be vigilant in this thread.

 

[windymiller]

How patronising. Anyway the point I'm making is clearly sailing way over your head. You have said that only teams that win trophies can be called successful and that 99.99% of football is a futile waste of time. That's a pretty bizarre take my strange friend but you do you. You know you wouldn't actually be involved in us winning stuff? It wouldn't be your achievement. You have a kopite mentality.

There he is, didn't take long to show yourself. You disagree with me so I must be a kopite. That's a very lazy argument. I want Everton to win things so I'm a kopite? Peculiar thing to say, most of the kopites I know are delighted with us being in the positions you consider a success for us.

It's weird that you take issue with me calling spectator sport futile but then insinuate that I think I'm personally involved in any success that Everton might have. How exactly can I have these complete polar opposite opinions? Spectator sport is futile precisely because the spectator is a bystander, I literally said it was a vicarious pursuit in a reply to you about an hour ago! And yes, 99.9% of football clubs are unsuccessful, likewise the participants of almost all competitive arenas are ultimately unsuccessful. What you don't seem to be able to reconcile is that you can be unsuccessful but still enjoy something. You seem to think that unless something can be defined as "success", distorting beyond all recognition the actual meaning of the word, then it can't be fun. That's the bizarre take.

 

[windymiller]

Fully agree, just surviving relegation would not be considered a success for Everton. I said some clubs, as there are loads ,up and down the country at all levels, that would consider this as a success.

Then they need to look at the clubs that were in that position and moved on from that, use that as inspiration, and redefine what they consider success.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

So you agree that, ultimately, the aim of being a football club is to win trophies and that, therefore, winning things is the actual measure of success?

It depends on the realism of winning trophies. The clubs with the money are expected to whilst we aren't. After the Moshiri era we're crying out for some stability and long term planning so if we get the stability in our league positions whilst building a younger team for the future I'd be more confident we will break our trophy drought then by just lashing money at it and getting a bit of luck in the cup with a kind draw etc. A great example from another sport is Emma Raducanu who won the US Open with a kind draw but didn't have the stability of game to be a consistent tournament winner and she's floundered since looking for solutions

 

[Nymzee]

Apologies all,

I have to control my instinctive responses..

A delete post option would help.

There is one???

 

[SJB]

Apologies all,

I have to control my instinctive responses..

A delete post option would help.

You can report your own post and ask the mods to delete it.

 

[carolinablue232]

Mid table would be adequate with this squad, not good. We wont make any SF - the odds with Moyes are pretty slim.

That's not what I asked. I'm trying to gauge your barometer. If he surprises you and we go that far while consolidating mid-table, would you then say he's had a great season?

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

I read a quote some few years ago, forgot who said that....

Greeks and Brits gave us sports, Romans and Americans turned it into spectacle.....

Winning is everything is so Roman-american. You win=you great, you lose=you loser.....

Success is not always about winning and losing, somebody on this thread itself mentioned about their daughter (? sorry if I remember incorrect) swims and measures success in PBs achieved. That is how success is measured, at least for me. Winning a trophy will be a success when I have achieved the smaller successes along the way. For a relegation battling team to achieve mid-table mediocrity = success. The same team being in the same mid-table positions for the next few years = success (Because building stability / platform for next push). Maybe, with correct aim and patience, one day, ONE DAY, you win something....

That does not mean, that the small things have not been success. But hey, if all you want to do is win, probably create a league of one team and win every day, every week (I know.. Hyperbole!!)

Enjoyment could also be in the small successes that are achieved, If you term everything is win/lose, there's not much to look forward to for teams with lesser / lower resources, eh!!!

But, what do I know.... I am just a fan, sitting thousands of miles away, enjoying Everton's success of being in top 10 for once, considering last few years.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

There he is, didn't take long to show yourself. You disagree with me so I must be a kopite. That's a very lazy argument. I want Everton to win things so I'm a kopite? Peculiar thing to say, most of the kopites I know are delighted with us being in the positions you consider a success for us.

It's weird that you take issue with me calling spectator sport futile but then insinuate that I think I'm personally involved in any success that Everton might have. How exactly can I have these complete polar opposite opinions? Spectator sport is futile precisely because the spectator is a bystander, I literally said it was a vicarious pursuit in a reply to you about an hour ago! And yes, 99.9% of football clubs are unsuccessful, likewise the participants of almost all competitive arenas are ultimately unsuccessful. What you don't seem to be able to reconcile is that you can be unsuccessful but still enjoy something. You seem to think that unless something can be defined as "success", distorting beyond all recognition the actual meaning of the word, then it can't be fun. That's the bizarre take.

I didn't say you were a kopite. Try reading what I wrote.

 

[windymiller]

It depends on the realism of winning trophies. The clubs with the money are expected to whilst we aren't. After the Moshiri era we're crying out for some stability and long term planning so if we get the stability in our league positions whilst building a younger team for the future I'd be more confident we will break our trophy drought then by just lashing money at it and getting a bit of luck in the cup with a kind draw etc. A great example from another sport is Emma Raducanu who won the US Open with a kind draw but didn't have the stability of game to be a consistent tournament winner and she's floundered since looking for solutions

If there is never any prospect of winning anything then why is anybody bothered about being relegated? Put the financial aspects to one side for a moment, from a sporting perspective is there any difference in playing in the PL than playing in the Championship, or League 1 or in the "Farmer's" leagues that are so denigrated on this forum? If the only point in being in the PL is to avoid relegation (or to make up the numbers in mid table), and that is predominantly a financial one, then is it really sport any more? Is it not simply business?

Football is a strange beast in this country now, particularly top flight football, as the sense of community gets stripped away with every stadium move, every ticket price increase, every new corporate banqueting suite, the pricing out of the working classes and young people and, inevitably, games moved to Asia/America/Saudi/Australia whilst simultaneously, from a purely entertainment point of view, stadia sell out whether the team is dreadful or brilliant, full of tourist and corporate jollyists looking for "content" for Insta or their "reels" or "stories".

When you think about it, it's the absolute capitalist dream, you can shovel out any old dross and raise prices across the board and demand remains buoyant. Treat the consumer like dirt and just keep on rinsing them as they keep on coming back, convincing themselves that the dross is the best they can get, all they deserve.

Without winning things is any of that worth it?

 

[windymiller]

I didn't say you were a kopite. Try reading what I wrote.

You said I had a kopite attitude. It's a snide way of calling me a kopite, as you well know. Interesting that you ignored everything else in my post, that's quite telling.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

You said I had a kopite attitude. It's a snide way of calling me a kopite, as you well know. Interesting that you ignored everything else in my post, that's quite telling.

I thought it was complete tripe. If I wanted to call you a kopite I would. You have the mentality of a kopite.

 

[windymiller]

I thought it was complete tripe. If I wanted to call you a kopite I would. You have the mentality of a kopite.

It's sad that you have resorted to repeated insults (unless you think kopite mentality is a compliment ?) simply because we differ in our definition of the word "success". I personally think Moyes has a lot to do before he can be considered a success here, if that is a kopite mentality then there must be a lot of kopites on this forum.