The Equaliser
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TX Bill
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I don't know what your problem is LCAB and I've never had a problem on here with you. I've stated factual points and instead of addressing them, you've gone on some long diatribe about how it's all bollox and garbage.
Sorry you don't like me but you won't be the first and won't be the last of people who don't like me on here.
That said, and to help you along here a little bit, I've emboldened a part of your post above that is the absolute key to the point I've made.
NO ONE has said that Drenthe shouldn't have been disciplined, kicked out of the club, sent packing, etc....
Let me repeat that. NO. ONE.
So, back to the part I've highlighted. You are absolutely spot on. He SHOULD have been sent packing the minute this crap started. No ands, ifs, or buts about it.
HOWEVER, (and this is the part that you and several have failed to address, by shouting "bollox" at the top of your lungs) Moyes timing on the discipline was wrong. There's no two ways around that. Moyes. Was. Wrong. If he was going to keep discipline problem Drenthe as long as he did, he may as well have kept him for one more day, had him play in the semi, AND THEN kicked him to the curb.
So that I'm sure, are you really stating that kicking him out right before the semi final was the best time for Moyes to do that?
Yeah Drenthe is a mentalist. Yeah he broke team rules repeatedly. Yeah he wasn't an Everton player in terms of discipline, both on and off the pitch.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU HE WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE THAT DAY.
Anyone stating otherwise is, to quote the famous LCAB, talking "bollox."
Have a nice day.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
I was going to highlight the first part but the whole post is 100% correct and one that we have yet to see anyone on GOT address with any substance.
Moyes got the timing wrong. Period.
pfim
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Ehh, you're not going to play a guy one day knowing you'll kick him to the curb the next.
He'd lost all trust in Drenthe at that point and you don't put someone you don't trust on the pitch for a semifinal.
Drenthe would have seen right through that anyway and would have put in the corresponding effort.
Perhaps he should have banished him earlier in the season, but the reaction here would have been the same, and I think anyone who says it wouldn't isn't being truthful. He was given chances throughout the season, it just so happens his last chance expired the week of this match.
He'd lost all trust in Drenthe at that point and you don't put someone you don't trust on the pitch for a semifinal.
Drenthe would have seen right through that anyway and would have put in the corresponding effort.
Perhaps he should have banished him earlier in the season, but the reaction here would have been the same, and I think anyone who says it wouldn't isn't being truthful. He was given chances throughout the season, it just so happens his last chance expired the week of this match.
Who knows Bill, maybe he thought it would (although I hate this term) galvanize the team. The manner of that loss really was nothing to do with him not being on the pitch though, it was mentality issue. Damn near 100% of us saw it unfolding...
Maybe, he wasnt fit enough to play.
Maybe Moyes didnt feel he could trust him to keep his head, clearly he had had a telling off, so whos to say the massive weapon wouldnt have tried to judo chop Suarez in the first minute, hes clearly got that in his locker.
You strike me as a decent person Bill, im not sure why you feel that Moyes should have let somebody who took the pee anywhere near a Semi Final after the things he did.
Regardless of when he should have been binned, he was given ample chances to change his ways and he decided that he was bigger than Everton Football Club, well guess what, he aint, Everton wins.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
I asked you earlier but I guess you didn't see it. What's with the ML logo as an avatar? Just curious.
Ok. Question. Why did Moyes let someone who as you say "took the piss" anywhere near the team in the preceding two months?
Make any sense now?
Something isn't clicking here.
If you tell a player it is the final straw and they break the rules again, then they're binned. End of.
Yes, he probably received more leeway than he should have, but Moyes probably decided that allowing him to be late to training was worth it when he was banging in goals and changing games for us.
However, his actions were not the same every single time by all accounts and i think unless you know what actually happened in the days leading up to the semi final then you really can't be the judge.
It's all ****ing irrelevant anyway because the little turd has gone now. If you want to fume about something then fume about the impending summer fire sale.
He had just come back from compassoniate* leave.
MAYBE he was given leeway, leeway which he stretched, he was told how important the game was, he was told NOT to go AWOL.
He went AWOL, so thats the end of his Everton career.
And lets face it, its not as if Moyes played him in every game, maybe that was his punishment.
It seems your point is that he should have been binned earlier, which nobody is dissagreeing with, but I know you have said he should have been played in the Semi? Theres a limit, theres always a limit, he reached it.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
You SURE about that...
No. I'm not. I probably haven't gone back to the thread I asked you and probably can't remember which thread it's in. Serves me right.
Well no doubt about reaching his limit. I'm just flabbergasted that disciplinarian Moyes let him on as long a leash as he did. And my point was that I'd have rather seen him binned after the semi final.
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