2025/26 David Moyes


Drico said:
Me neither. Never wanted him back. Tuesday was just another slap in the face. He's far too risk-averse, self-serving, and uninspiring to get properly behind when chasing anything other than "stability". If he's here beyond next summer, I don't think I will be anymore. The utter lack of fantasy is unforgivable. The tragedy is he is a very competent manager who...settles for mediocrity. That's where he's most comfortable, in places with low standards. There, he can raise them to mediocrity. Excellence remains out of his reach because he never gambles when the time is right. Far inferior managers to him - Roberto Martinez, for example - provide more moments of joy. Roberto wouldn't lace his boots as a builder of clubs, but he'll provide more moments of fantasy with similar players (as he did in 2013/14).

An ambitious, well-run club can do better than Stability's David Moyes. Roll on next summer!
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He was (and has been) in (and out of) the frame ever since Silva got sacked - I didn't want him then and I didn't want him now.
I was happy for him to re-find what passed for his mojo at W Ham where he should've stay only they got too big for their boots (hows working out for them)
And I was pleasantly surprised when he did as well as he did post Dyche.

With Moyes MkI it took a few seasons for the pattern to become clear - if you wanted to see it that is.

It's become clear to me that a few weeks is all that was needed to show - again, if you wanted to see
He's not changed.

And!
It should be an almost forgone conclusion that a mid table team should - at home - should easily see off a 19th placed managerless team...yes I know it's a funny old game etc etc.

The fact that it isn't (a forgone conclusion) shows more about, whether people admit it or not, their doubts about Moyes than their worries about W Hams real capabilities and how they'll react to Nuno sat in the stands.
 
Timbucktoo said:
He showed Leeds too much respect on the first night and couldn`t come up with a plan to beat a Villa team that were in poor form. The least said about mid week the better. We`ve given West `am some spankings in the past with far worse players its time to deliver another against a poor `ammers team. My only fear will be that Moyes goes into the game cautious and lets them get a foothold and we see another draw, which will be a missed opportunity for us to move up the table.
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I didn’t want him back because of a lot of the points you make.
There’s not a chance we’d win 3-1 at Chelsea the way Brighton did today, the best we’d have done was 1-1 under Moyes
 
Drico said:
He needs a win here. Anything less and it's been a very modest opening to the season punctuated by two bad lows: the derby no-show and the Wolves capitulation.

A win will allow him to spin the narrative that his prioritisation of the league is paying off, with us sitting in 7th. It's not a spin I'd swallow, but it'll be a successful PR point given the last half decade of this club's existence. In other words, the stability argument will win out.

A loss and we're below Leeds and Sunderland having failed to get off the bus at Anfield and thrown away League Cup progression. After the week he's just had, a loss to this feeble West Ham side will seriously undermine any confidence fans would have in Moyes to push us on. We'll be lower mid-table with Palace up next and City on the horizon...and his latest opportunity to take a knife to a gunfight.
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Yes, the importance of a win here for Moyes is huge. Sunderland is punching above their weight at the moment and well played to them. I have followed and hated Leeds since the Don Revie days I just can’t stand them and the dirty antics they displayed. My hope is we at least stay above them in the table at the end of the season. Nuno of all people to take the reins of the Hammers whom I’d admire. He will have them move up the table in the near future. So Moyes needs to get Monday’s selection just right. Microscope will be on him and he knows it.
 
davek said:
We'll get that win and loads will think the cup loss and derby surrender were aberrations.

This football club is one of the biggest institutions in British football but our fans accept two bob managers like Moyes because he keeps us safe.

He's ridden the Everton gravy train for 12 years now and counting...
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We are not one of the biggest institutions in British football mate .. not any more unfortunately

And I would hardly say he surrendered in the derby nothing like bobby brown shoes did
 

davek said:
Pereira did a job on Moyes last night: basically offered Moyes the swap of making loads of changes himself to match his 9 changes.

Like a divvy Moyes fell into the trap of making 7 changes to a team that's been playing very well by and large, because the opposition are making 9 changes...9 changes to a pathetically underperforming team.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that could be a bad move...but Moyes didn't work it out.

An absolute duffer walking around this club like he's a success because he won the Auto Trader European Trophy.

How anyone defends him is beyond me.
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Yeah I’m sure Victor told Moyes all of his tactics and team selection ahead of time … I mean it’s not like he needs to win the match himself
 
davek said:
Sometimes age has its benefits: I've seen my football club lift 2 titles, 2 FA Cups and a European trophy...and a few Charity Shields...and get to a load of cup finals.

If I was a young supporter in my 20s or 30s I'd be walking round punching holes in walls today.

I have no idea what level of torment these lads and girls put themselves through. I'm not 100% sure I'd have stayed the distance tbh. I salute them for their fortitude.

Moyes would be my mortal enemy under those circumstances. I dislike him even having experienced all that success.
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That’s the thing Dave

You probably wouldn’t hate Moyes if you were 30 or younger

He gave us our best ever finish and our “ glory years “ if you were born after 95

Smith, fat Sam, Bobby , Frank , FSW, Silva are what you’d have been used to and Moyes was and is better than all of them
 
Tel001 said:
That’s the thing Dave

You probably wouldn’t hate Moyes if you were 30 or younger

He gave us our best ever finish and our “ glory years “ if you were born after 95

Smith, fat Sam, Bobby , Frank , FSW, Silva are what you’d have been used to and Moyes was and is better than all of them
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"Glory years".

Unreal.
 

Tel001 said:
That’s the thing Dave

You probably wouldn’t hate Moyes if you were 30 or younger

He gave us our best ever finish and our “ glory years “ if you were born after 95

Smith, fat Sam, Bobby , Frank , FSW, Silva are what you’d have been used to and Moyes was and is better than all of them
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This is a fair point. I have long believed anybody who wasn't around for our last great era in the 1980s would have a more positive opinion of Moyes than many of those of us who were. And I don't blame them. They've been served up a relegation stew by Bill Kenwright which turned us into a sort of historically significant Coventry City. Younger people won't get that... Put simply, Coventry were perennial relegation fighters in the 70s, 80s and 90s. They did almost nothing but successfully stay up against the odds, year in, year out. They were the epitome of non-glamorous. Kenwright turned us into them - with history.

In that context, no wonder many saw Moyes as a shining light. He WAS - in that context.

I am no fan of the Moyesiah - competent, though he is. He's done a superb job since his return up to last weekend. But I know where this is heading now, over the coming season. Nowhere a truly ambitious club will want to be. But I'm not going to spend the season making the case against Moyes.

It's all about the Friedkins for me. How ambitious are they? How competent are they? What is their definition of "success" for this club? Until those questions are answered, Moyes is the least of it, merely a symptom of those answers that have not yet been revealed to us.

I think they'll have to make a change next summer at the latest if they are truly looking to transform us from Coventry-with-history to something befitting our history prior to Bill Kenwright joining the board in 1989, Everton's Year Zero.
 

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