2025/26 David Moyes

Yeah, he built a dynasty.

Make you sit there staring at your screen , stroking you member talking about how Dyche did a great job keeping us up with no money and an 8 point deduction.

Moyes had us in Europe regularly and finished 4th after selling the best young player in our history and a once in a generational talent t Rooney , with no money , not signing a permanent player for 3 seasons and having to sell to loan players … yet you have a go at him lol
 

His own worst enemy.

He has us playing some great football. We've got a handy little side here and for me, hes helped stabilise the fanbase.

I wont warm to him until he lifts us a pot, but its nice to not be looking at the relegation spots and be excited to go the game.

But that first half on Saturday was quintessential Moyes. We are better than that and we just couldn't get going.

But lots of positives and onto tomorrow.
 
His own worst enemy.

He has us playing some great football. We've got a handy little side here and for me, hes helped stabilise the fanbase.

I wont warm to him until he lifts us a pot, but its nice to not be looking at the relegation spots and be excited to go the game.

But that first half on Saturday was quintessential Moyes. We are better than that and we just couldn't get going.

But lots of positives and onto tomorrow.
He’s like a comfy pair of slippers and I’m good with that for now. You know it’s not going to be swashbuckling our way to a league title win but he’ll improve us bit by bit.

Poor start on Sat and chances are other teams wouldn’t have finished those chances that they took first half. At least it’s over for the season.
 
Get promoted, spend £100m + wages on new players, have a chance at staying up. Invest well, manage well, make a few moves for small upgrades, maybe cash in one major signing to improve two places on the field for the greater good. That's a successful manager and owners point of view, the club is established as a PL concern. Maybe it's good for 12th - 16th. Maybe*.

Spend another £100m and possibly see an improvement if it ALL goes well, to say 8th-11th. It's easier improving the quality to separate from the relegation favourites than to do well and be assured mid table. So then £100m again from 8th-11th to have a bash at a go at 5th-7th? Who are the rivals here, who do they have on the books already that someone would need to catch up with or buy better than? If someone has a deal with Adidas for £90m a year, and an airline for shirt sponsor similar, and flog thousands of shirts in Asia and the middle east, naming rights on the stadium, naming rights on the training ground, 80k attendances, creative bookkeeping using sides abroad in different leagues and jurisdictions, then maybe someone can try to go toe-to-toe financially to become established contenders. This example is tied to one club alone, chelsea were rinsing dirty russian oligarch monies, city have off the books oil monies, arsenal can't keep up - they've sacked the tea lady and dippy the dinosaur and the car park litter picker, then there's the unwashed over the way - they put the coutinho money on the roulette table and let it ride and won every spin - good for them. Recently we've seen villa and newcastle have a go for the higher reaches and then suffer with forced sales, their business model wasn't sustainable, so now they're hamstrung to cover it for a season. Money has implemented a yoyoing of efforts for clubs to try for the top spots, similar to the yoyoing all through the league, mid table, relegation battle, relegated promoted. Clubs are defined by their financial capability, the boundaries are becoming more stark and reinforced. Once in a while a perfect storm will occur but it's back to business the season after.
What can management be worth? 10%? 20%? 100%? It's hugely oversimplifying but a side put together for example £150m with a manager that gets 100% more out of them, then it's a £300m side. Up against a £700m side it's still underpowered, and that doesn't take into account the manager of said £700m side and their influence... 10%?

Football was easier in the past, it was a Saturday afternoon and some chatter over a few pints in the boozer after and that was that, unless a cup run of sorts meant a bit extra now n then. No rolling news, no 24 hour social media commentary, no forums, no experts, no insiders, no fakes, no celebrity agents, there was club call, rumours in the back pages of the gutter press, and maybe an interview with a manager before a big fixture.
It cost a lot less time, effort and money back then.

TLDR, jumpers for goal posts, World cup Willie, Pickles the dog, Cup final day, the chainman has a new car...
I read all of that. Just saying.
 
Is he the right man for us, at this moment in time? Absolutely.

Is he the right man to manage us to the next level? Highly debatable.
This is it. He's a very competent manager. But he won't take the gamble at the right time to turn competence into glory. He's perfect for getting us up into upper mid-table. At that point, we will need a different manager for a different task.

The problem, culturally, is that an entire generation of fans are so traumatised by mismanagement and have no memory or experience of success that they see eighth in the league every year and fourth round cup exits to lower league sides in both competitions as perfectly satisfactory. Moyes will plateau us into a comfort zone that a lot of people will be very comfortable with. Anything more will require a degree of ruthlessness...not to mention competence from the owners.

We live in interesting times.
 

Get promoted, spend £100m + wages on new players, have a chance at staying up. Invest well, manage well, make a few moves for small upgrades, maybe cash in one major signing to improve two places on the field for the greater good. That's a successful manager and owners point of view, the club is established as a PL concern. Maybe it's good for 12th - 16th. Maybe*.

Spend another £100m and possibly see an improvement if it ALL goes well, to say 8th-11th. It's easier improving the quality to separate from the relegation favourites than to do well and be assured mid table. So then £100m again from 8th-11th to have a bash at a go at 5th-7th? Who are the rivals here, who do they have on the books already that someone would need to catch up with or buy better than? If someone has a deal with Adidas for £90m a year, and an airline for shirt sponsor similar, and flog thousands of shirts in Asia and the middle east, naming rights on the stadium, naming rights on the training ground, 80k attendances, creative bookkeeping using sides abroad in different leagues and jurisdictions, then maybe someone can try to go toe-to-toe financially to become established contenders. This example is tied to one club alone, chelsea were rinsing dirty russian oligarch monies, city have off the books oil monies, arsenal can't keep up - they've sacked the tea lady and dippy the dinosaur and the car park litter picker, then there's the unwashed over the way - they put the coutinho money on the roulette table and let it ride and won every spin - good for them. Recently we've seen villa and newcastle have a go for the higher reaches and then suffer with forced sales, their business model wasn't sustainable, so now they're hamstrung to cover it for a season. Money has implemented a yoyoing of efforts for clubs to try for the top spots, similar to the yoyoing all through the league, mid table, relegation battle, relegated promoted. Clubs are defined by their financial capability, the boundaries are becoming more stark and reinforced. Once in a while a perfect storm will occur but it's back to business the season after.
What can management be worth? 10%? 20%? 100%? It's hugely oversimplifying but a side put together for example £150m with a manager that gets 100% more out of them, then it's a £300m side. Up against a £700m side it's still underpowered, and that doesn't take into account the manager of said £700m side and their influence... 10%?

Football was easier in the past, it was a Saturday afternoon and some chatter over a few pints in the boozer after and that was that, unless a cup run of sorts meant a bit extra now n then. No rolling news, no 24 hour social media commentary, no forums, no experts, no insiders, no fakes, no celebrity agents, there was club call, rumours in the back pages of the gutter press, and maybe an interview with a manager before a big fixture.
It cost a lot less time, effort and money back then.

TLDR, jumpers for goal posts, World cup Willie, Pickles the dog, Cup final day, the chainman has a new car...
Football was Football in the past..
 
We have a couple of fixtures now to get us back on track now before we enter a tough October.

I think there will be (as there should be) some rotation against Wolves and I want to see Barry, Rohl (if fit) and Dibling start, but there's still enough of a break between this game and then Wham next Monday that there shouldn't be a requirement to rest anyone.

We need to bounce back to maintain our solid start to the season and not let it drift away to becoming a poor start.
 
Grealish love in with Moyes most unlikely happening, still good for EFC...

"Jack Grealish on his move to Everton to resurrect his career: “100%. The manager says ‘it’s not down to me it’s down to Jack’ sometimes I don’t agree with that. I’ve come here and he’s been so good for me, I’ve loved playing for him.”
Jack Grealish on David Moyes: “I thank him for giving him my love for football back. Waking up on a matchday and wanting to play.”
 
Things have changed concerning Moyes this time around.

Fans were prepared to let caution be emphasised; that wont be tolerated anymore.

The reaction to Moyes will be a lot sharper this time around because of our changed circumstances: a chance presented to re-announce ourselves as a football club. Lowering expectations isn't part of this new era.
 

It's soul destroying reading this thread.
Things have changed concerning Moyes this time around.

Fans were prepared to let caution be emphasised; that wont be tolerated anymore.

The reaction to Moyes will be a lot sharper this time around because of our changed circumstances: a chance presented to re-announce ourselves as a football club. Lowering expectations isn't part of this new era.
To a degree, yes, but it feels very premature to suggest this should be the case right now - this team is nowhere near as good as Moyes's best Everton side (2007 to 2009 or so), so we are probably at least a year away from the point where my expectations are that we go into any game thinking we can win
 
Things have changed concerning Moyes this time around.

Fans were prepared to let caution be emphasised; that wont be tolerated anymore.

The reaction to Moyes will be a lot sharper this time around because of our changed circumstances: a chance presented to re-announce ourselves as a football club. Lowering expectations isn't part of this new era.

In your opinion, which doesn’t count for much nowadays tbh.
 
Things have changed concerning Moyes this time around.

Fans were prepared to let caution be emphasised; that wont be tolerated anymore.

The reaction to Moyes will be a lot sharper this time around because of our changed circumstances: a chance presented to re-announce ourselves as a football club. Lowering expectations isn't part of this new era.
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Things have changed concerning Moyes this time around.

Fans were prepared to let caution be emphasised; that wont be tolerated anymore.

The reaction to Moyes will be a lot sharper this time around because of our changed circumstances: a chance presented to re-announce ourselves as a football club. Lowering expectations isn't part of this new era.
Our circumstances have changed because we now have a decent manager.
 

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