2024/25 David Moyes

[NSNO1878EFC]

Look, i'm a big Moyes fan and i loved what he did for us in the past, but he's won 5 games in 16, lost as much as he's won.

He has wasted hundreds of millions on players over the past few years, despite his decent results with west ham, that can't be ignored.

Keeping moyes does not equal spending wisely, it is not the same moyes, it is not the same league.

I can almost guarantee you that he will want a certain type of player at a certain part of their career, and i do not think it will benefit us long term, and i hope i'm wrong on that, but i just don't see it that way.

Moyes also has plenty of friends in the agents worlds, he isn't this saintly figure who doesn't get involved in that nonsense, he does.

He will want ready made players, that will cost a premium, we can't afford to get this summer wrong.

Moyes’ job was to keep us up this season, you’re not going to get much more than that with this squad as it is especially with the injuries that we’ve had since he joined. Not sure there’s a queue of managers lining up waiting to join either.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes’ job was to keep us up this season, you’re not going to get much more than that with this squad as it is especially with the injuries that we’ve had since he joined. Not sure there’s a queue of managers lining up waiting to join either.

Oh, there are always plenty of chancers willing to take a job in the Premier League!

 

[jceverton]

Who says that we have put him in charge? The rs have a transfer committee (I think) the suggestion is that it may be a little like that). It wouldn’t make sense for one person who could be sacked 10 games from now to be in charge of targeting players for a style unique to their footballing philosophy and style. (Despite having a DoF the rumour is that’s exactly what happened under Moshiri as he was incompetent)

Logic tells you he's in charge. It's not complicated. The DOF role has been binned off, we've now got a head of recruitment who Moyes worked with at West Ham and who reports to Moyes. They've just brought in a guy who will negotiate the financial side of transfers. Moyes is clearly in charge of recruitment. If you're saying that's not the case then put forward a logical coherent argument that he isn't.

 

[jceverton]

He signed plenty of expensive crap at West Ham

Yep - Moyes is good with limited funds, poor with lots of funds.

 

[tsubaki]

Logic tells you he's in charge. It's not complicated. The DOF role has been binned off, we've now got a head of recruitment who Moyes worked with at West Ham and who reports to Moyes. They've just brought in a guy who will negotiate the financial side of transfers. Moyes is clearly in charge of recruitment. If you're saying he isn't then put forward a logical coherent argument that he isn't.

He is, but I think its a bad idea that he is. Thelwell did both of those with success.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Logic tells you he's in charge. It's not complicated. The DOF role has been binned off, we've now got a head of recruitment who Moyes worked with at West Ham and who reports to Moyes. They've just brought in a guy who will negotiate the financial side of transfers. Moyes is clearly in charge of recruitment. If you're saying that's not the case then put forward a logical coherent argument that he isn't.

Don't think he is involved tbh (Newman) there have been reports but no conformations, suggestions that Kinnear wants to bring some of the recruitment team like Hammond and Penrice from Leeds. Dan Purdy is still here at the moment and no idea what is going on with him.

 

[Blue peter]

Logic tells you he's in charge. It's not complicated. The DOF role has been binned off, we've now got a head of recruitment who Moyes worked with at West Ham and who reports to Moyes. They've just brought in a guy who will negotiate the financial side of transfers. Moyes is clearly in charge of recruitment. If you're saying that's not the case then put forward a logical coherent argument that he isn't.

I’m saying that unless you work behind the scenes and knows what’s going on there is no way of knowing but generally speaking that’s not the way the vast majority of clubs operate either here or in the continent. I wasn’t aware that the structure also dictated that head of recruitment reported into the coach. That would also be a little strange. Do we definitely know that was the hierarchy in West Ham or is that an assumption or speculation?

 

[twoblue]

Forest broke the rules on spending and their “reset” involved signing a ridiculous number of players as they tried to make something stick.

Worked. Difficulty to replicate. Think moshiri and forest rolled the dice. There’s landed on a 6 we hit a 2.
Can’t argue they haven’t bought some good players. Better than we managed under moshiri

 

[blueboy72]

Don't think he is involved tbh (Newman) there have been reports but no conformations, suggestions that Kinnear wants to bring some of the recruitment team like Hammond and Penrice from Leeds. Dan Purdy is still here at the moment and no idea what is going on with him.

Yes Newman was linked and then we got Hammond. Not sure if they do similar roles but does that say Kinnear is having a bigger say on recruitment. Because there’s a very good chance Hammond and kinnear will
Be here after Moyes

 

[jamieni]

Worked. Difficulty to replicate. Think moshiri and forest rolled the dice. There’s landed on a 6 we hit a 2.
Can’t argue they haven’t bought some good players. Better than we managed under moshiri

Just goes to show how staggeringly awful Moshiri was in terms of running football affairs.

 

[jceverton]

I’m saying that unless you work behind the scenes and knows what’s going on there is no way of knowing but generally speaking that’s not the way the vast majority of clubs operate either here or in the continent. I wasn’t aware that the structure also dictated that head of recruitment reported into the coach. That would also be a little strange. Do we definitely know that was the hierarchy in West Ham or is that an assumption or speculation?

That's the point, no successful club (that I know of) operates the way we've just set up. Read around the press articles on the head of recruitment at Everton. If there's no DOF then the head of recruitment has to report to Moyes.

 

[twoblue]

Just goes to show how staggeringly awful Moshiri was in terms of running football affairs.

He got played by every agent that needed a pay days with average players.

 

[jceverton]

Don't think he is involved tbh (Newman) there have been reports but no conformations, suggestions that Kinnear wants to bring some of the recruitment team like Hammond and Penrice from Leeds. Dan Purdy is still here at the moment and no idea what is going on with him.

Thanks, thought Newman had been confirmed, same as Hammond? If we don't get Newman then Penrice does the same type of role as him. Either way it's pretty clear how we are going to be set up, and Moyes is going to be in charge.

 

[jceverton]

Yes Newman was linked and then we got Hammond. Not sure if they do similar roles but does that say Kinnear is having a bigger say on recruitment. Because there’s a very good chance Hammond and kinnear will
Be here after Moyes

As far as I'm aware Penrice has same role at Leeds that Newman had at West Ham. Direction of travel seems pretty clear. Manager in charge of who he signs.

 

[kiss the crest]

He is so far saying the right things, he knows we need more goals in the team and he knows we need quality in the final 1/3.

So let's see how it pans out in the summer, as others have said we can't afford to get this wrong, hopefully he will go for young upcoming type of players rather than your old experienced ones.

I am a bit concerned that he has full control over transfers as Thelwell was doing a good job under difficult circumstances, I know he did make a couple of blunders but also signed some quality with limited funds
Ndiaye Obrien Iberbunham.

Hopefully we get something to look forward to going into our new stadium and we get our business done early