2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[Makis]

It's just interesting when the DoFs float these 'I wanted X and evil Y stopped me and forced me to make a mistake' stories that fans actually take them at face value. They're telling you exactly what they want you to believe to sound better.

Has Thelwell done that?

 

[blue to the bone]

….his next job really will be interesting given how highly rated he is by some on here. You’d think there’ll be some very decent clubs after him.

Same as with Dyche who you constantly told us did a remarkable job?

 

[Eggs]

Same as with Dyche who you constantly told us did a remarkable job?

….he certainly did. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a PL manager at some point next season

 

[blulouie]

….his next job really will be interesting given how highly rated he is by some on here. You’d think there’ll be some very decent clubs after him.

Not sure I've seen anyone "highly rating " him.
But there's plenty that acknowledge that he done a very decent job in the most testing of circumstances.

Like it or not he managed to turn a profit and navigate us through the PSR nonsense. Ultimately playing possibly the biggest part keeping the club in the Premier league .

All in all it has to be said he was a success.

 

[blue to the bone]

….he certainly did. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a PL manager at some point next season

I would. And if he does God help them

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

Has Thelwell done that?

That's quite literally what sparked this. Apparently Bill (or was it Moshiri? Or was it Lampard? Because all 3 of them have been the culprit in variations of this transfer blame game) was in charge of all the bad transfers demanding PL experience. Except when we dropped 40 million on Onana in the same summer because that was a good transfer.

Managers do exactly the same thing.

Everyone in football does because they all have their agendas to further their career. That doesn't mean we should believe them. Since AGMs are gone and not likely to return, I'd like if moving forwards someone had to put their name to a signing after the debacle of the past 10 years. Its a shame it wasn't in Thelwells 140 point plan.

 

[Makis]

That's quite literally what sparked this. Apparently Bill (or was it Moshiri? Or was it Lampard? Because all 3 of them have been the culprit in variations of this transfer blame game) was in charge of all the bad transfers demanding PL experience. Except when we dropped 40 million on Onana in the same summer because that was a good transfer.

So Thelwell has said that? That's the point. I have said that this story has been told by several sources, not that Thelwell himself has said so. But I stand corrected if you can find a quote from him.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

So Thelwell has said that? That's the point. I have said that this story has been told by several sources, not that Thelwell himself has said so. But I stand corrected if you can find a quote from him.

Depends if you were born yesterday to think you have to hear it directly from someone on the record for it to have come from them. Technically no one ever mentioned a headlock either so I guess that never came from the club.

 

[Makis]

So you basically blame Thelwell for someone else spreading things he has said in private?

Difference with Walsh was that he publicly told he wanted club to sign Haaland.

 

[Billy Dean]

Every conversation around him at Everton though needs to remember every window he absolutely had to make a baseline of profit, and often, sign players with upfront payment deferred.

This.

It's funny, there are people who give Moyes leeway for every bad signing he's ever made because he's rarely had money to spend. And they're probably the same ones who are in this thread just repeating "Maupay, Maupay, Maupay"

 

[Blue peter]

Regardless of whether your in the Thelwell ‘good / decent / crap’ camp, what I did find unusual upon confirmation he was leaving was the number of players who came out and Thanked him publicly. I don’t recall seeing that with previous DoFs, Walsh or Brands and didn’t see it with Dyche although I stand to be corrected. Maybe they appreciated the job he did.

 

[mahermi1]

I also hope it doesn't cost us. Let's hope we don't miss out on nearly signing some more of his great targets. Even though the actual head of recruitment is still in post so nothing actually has changed as yet.

It's just interesting when the DoFs float these 'I wanted X and evil Y stopped me and forced me to make a mistake' stories that fans actually take them at face value. They're telling you exactly what they want you to believe to sound better.

"I wanted X and evil Y stopped me and forced me to make a mistake". Wow just wow I'm utterly convinced you're right now lad, you should write adventure stories, crack on mate, crack on.

 

[mahermi1]

Not sure I've seen anyone "highly rating " him.
But there's plenty that acknowledge that he done a very decent job in the most testing of circumstances.

Like it or not he managed to turn a profit and navigate us through the PSR nonsense. Ultimately playing possibly the biggest part keeping the club in the Premier league .

All in all it has to be said he was a success.

This is it really, just because we are not dragging him down and have the utter cheek to think he may have done an okay job under difficult circumstances makes him our hero. Thelwell definitely had the short straw getting rid of players who were sometimes popular definitely more expensive on higher wages, out the door to bring in players who we could afford, who were in most cases on lower wages. We had to do that for PSR reasons due to the idiots that were previously running us. They are the people who should in my view be facing fans ire, not a hamstrung DOF under strict orders. But hey let them crack on with their story telling its fun.

 

[mahermi1]

Haaland was a stupid comment from Walsh. Nothing was agreed and was probably even near. Half the continent wanted him so even if the hierarchy had agreed it's unlikely he'd have ended up at Everton.

Being in negotiations with players and then that deal not happening is normal. Good players tend to have more than one choice. And sometimes something happens that is just beyond club's powers, like the Kudus deal falling through because ManU offered 100 million for Antony.

Fact remains, Thelwell had to make a profit every year on player trading. No other Premier League club had the same restrictions. Yet somehow Thelwell is the one making bad deals. Except of course now that we have a manager interested in using the squad properly not many of his signings in the squad look bad. Thelwell signed exactly one 30+ million player and sold him on for a profit. Every other PL club has signed several during that time. Thelwell was forced to work in the bargain basement & loan market.

Tarkowski for free. Great business.
McNeil for 15 million. Good business.
Young for free. Decent business.
Gueye for 2 million. Great, great business.
Garner for 10 million. Good business.
Onana for 30 million. Nice profit, so good business.
Ndiaye for 15 million. Great business.
O'Brien for 15 million. Good business, potentially great.
Chermiti - jury's still out. Too many injuries.
Beto for 25 million. Not good, signed basically because club couldn't pay any fees that season and his fee could be deferred to next season. But we clearly paid too much for his skillset (or lack of).
Iroegbunam for 10 million. Seems decent business. A backup at worst, or we could sell him on and not make a loss.

Those ten cost around 125 million or thereabouts and 50 of that was recouped with the Onana sale. Add 10 for Maupay and total outlay is about what the big clubs might pay for one player. Even a club like Brighton whose model we apparently should emulate paid 40 million for Rutter, 30 milion for Minteh, close to 30 for Wieffer, Gruda, Kadioglu and O'Riley last summer and 30 million for Pedro season before that. But Thelwell was bad at his job because he couldn't make similar signings with no money.

Loans have been more hit and miss but that's their nature. Clubs rarely want to loan players who are doing well. Mangala looked decent and I feel he would have been good under Moyes. Dyche's kick and rush didn't really suit him. Alcaraz has looked good on his cameos but Moyes might have other targets in his mind for summer. Harrison was ok-ish during his first season but poor since. Rest of the loans amount to little, although I would have expected more from Danjuma.

Superb post mate, pro's and con's of the job he done.

 

[Curtis]

I would. And if he does God help them

Even God eventually let the dinosaurs go extinct