2024/25 David Moyes


So Kenwright pulled the Lukaku fee from his backside mate, c'mon where else did we get it ? That Fellaini deal was paid in instalments like most transfer fees, like Lukaku's fee, the money from Fellaini enabled us to buy Lukaku on the never never. Don't forget reputable banks wouldn't lend us money towards the end of Bills tenure he said as much himself, we were using off shore, high interest loans to get by.
So we sold a player a year in advance in the hope that we’d do enough to convince a loan player to join after his loan spell.

I hate Kenwright as much as anybody but selling Fellaini wasn’t a grand plan to have money in situ to sign Lukaku permanently a year later. He’s not that clever. Majority of that money probably disappeared into Vibrac interest payments.
 

Rooney legs had gone by his late twenties. Imagine if Moyes had run him into the ground as a 16/17 year old as you seemed to want.
He was the best player in the squad at 16/17 and he knew that after training with them for three months. Getting beat 3-0 by United at Goodison Rooney came on after half time —he revitalised the team at 17 years of age, we got back to 3-3 before United got a last minute winner.After the game the United players were telling Ferguson he had to sign this kid.

Drew 0-0:with Bolton Rooney created chance after chance for himself with Bolton ā€˜keeper making save after save— after the game with the press praising Wayne’s performance Moyes said ā€œ He never scored though did he?ā€ While in the Main Stand Bobby Robson and Alan Shearer couldn’t believe that such a young player had put in a superlative performance like that — Their words.

When Wayne Rooney was 16/17 he was a man when it came to playing football physically and mentally.
 
And that’s your opinion.

I was commenting on your assertion that Moyes should have picked Drenthe for the Cup semi-final and that cost us a place in the final. Despite all the evidence to the contrary from the player and team mates that he was treated correctly by Moyes.

I have watched Everton home and away since 1970 and apart from 1984-87 and 1995 the footballing success has been pitiful for the positions we have been in.

It seems that Moyes1 is in good company with Bingham,Lee,Harvey,Kendall 2, Walker,Kendall 3, Smith,Martinez,Koeman,Allardyce,Benitez,
Lampard and Dyche.

Are you still angry at Billy Bingham as well for throwing away the 74-75 league title?
Don't know about Dave, but I am:mad:
 
He was the best player in the squad at 16/17 and he knew that after training with them for three months. Getting beat 3-0 by United at Goodison Rooney came on after half time —he revitalised the team at 17 years of age, we got back to 3-3 before United got a last minute winner.After the game the United players were telling Ferguson he had to sign this kid.

Drew 0-0:with Bolton Rooney created chance after chance for himself with Bolton ā€˜keeper making save after save— after the game with the press praising Wayne’s performance Moyes said ā€œ He never scored though did he?ā€ While in the Main Stand Bobby Robson and Alan Shearer couldn’t believe that such a young player had put in a superlative performance like that — Their words.

When Wayne Rooney was 16/17 he was a man when it came to playing football physically and mentally.
Yes, and Moyes was widely praised for how he handled Rooney. It would have been easy to overplay him.
 
That semi final was decided when Redknapp cup tied Pienaar in some meaningless game for Spurs just before he was loaned back to us. He was our best player at that time and made the whole team tick.

Distin passing to Suarez for no reason didn’t help either. If he just lashes that up the line we probably go to the final.

It’s all pretty irrelevant as that Chelsea team were mullering whoever got out the other semi, as they proved.
It was a capitulation against a poor team IMO. We should have won that game without Pienaar. We had ample time to try and score a winner after Distin's back pass but didn't.
 
He had strippers in the bath with him.
7 dimensional thinking, imagine how motivated the rest of the side would have been to win the qf, sf and final. Would have emptied the Victoria's secret cupboards completely. Maybe yodavek was right all along.

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It was a capitulation against a poor team IMO. We should have won that game without Pienaar. We had ample time to try and score a winner after Distin's back pass but didn't.

Wasn’t that poor a team. They had Suarez Aggre Skrtel Gerrard Carragher, and could call in Carrol Bellamy Downing Kuyt if needed.

We had Osman and Magyar Gueye on the wings, Gibson in midfield, Fellaini Cahill and Jelavic - absolutely zero pace anywhere in that team

And as usual no options off the bench. So the usual happened that after a promising start we end up being out ran and then drop further and further back as we get more and more tired and they can just keep rotating fresh options.

People keep construing this as Moyes sitting back but until someone at Everton starts buying quick powerful players, and giving managers a bench full of them as well, we’ll always find ourselves being forced back against top teams regardless of the manager.
 
The thing is with Moyes back then...we're calling Him Mk I & Mk II but he's not been here long enough to judge the Mk II.
Anyway back then there mightve been the odd stand out, one single Moyes move that lost the game (Hibbo Spurs 2005/6??)
But to me it seemed that we'd do OK in the first half
Then mentally sit back while the opposition came out - as they should after the HT rev up - we acted like it was a total surprise

Where were the results of OUR half time rev up????
we seemed to get the opposite of a half time rev up
(Just as Dyches ethos was Tweaked by Moyes and we can see the difference)
Our second half or sometimes 60/70mins ethos seemed to change.
Moyes set the ethos back then
He reset Dyches
Don't reset...for no reason.
Do what worked in the 1st half...or the 1st hour - only harder better stronger, play to win, don't suddenly play not to lose
INTENSITY
 
The issue here is that Moyes Mk1 made some shocking decisions at KEY moments that stopped any realistic chances of a breakthrough success.

That is sustained. And anyone who lived through all of his time here first time around knows that to be the case.
Out of interest are you any better at your job than you were 12/13 years ago?
 
Praised by who? certainly not the fans who couldn’t get enough of him and the team needed him on the field with his goals, assists and all round game.
If I remember rightly - DM & Rooney fell out towards the end - plus we gave him away price wise & ended up with United rejects .....

Only Tim Howard in his early years was any good -Gibson - pants - Neville { average} & a few others were awful & costly in wages ....
 

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