2024/25 David Moyes

[mahermi1]

So we sold a player a year in advance in the hope that we’d do enough to convince a loan player to join after his loan spell.

I hate Kenwright as much as anybody but selling Fellaini wasn’t a grand plan to have money in situ to sign Lukaku permanently a year later. He’s not that clever. Majority of that money probably disappeared into Vibrac interest payments.

We do have something in common then ( Kenwright), but I will fail to disagree with you on lukaku mate. Romelu was signed on loan on the final day of the summer transfer window 2013 and Fellainis was sold to United on the 02 Sep, was that the final day to ? But we got rid of one huge wage for us and got another huge wage in. Lukaku stayed on loan until he was bought whilst still on loan. They were definitely linked though I admit the 10 months in between the actual deals. Whether the money or part of it went to Vibrac who knows but that Fellaini deal helped with paying for lukaku, whether it was wages loan fee and his actual signing. And if you can understand this rambling post, then you're better than me pal.

 

[davek]

And that’s your opinion.

I was commenting on your assertion that Moyes should have picked Drenthe for the Cup semi-final and that cost us a place in the final. Despite all the evidence to the contrary from the player and team mates that he was treated correctly by Moyes.

I have watched Everton home and away since 1970 and apart from 1984-87 and 1995 the footballing success has been pitiful for the positions we have been in.

It seems that Moyes1 is in good company with Bingham,Lee,Harvey,Kendall 2, Walker,Kendall 3, Smith,Martinez,Koeman,Allardyce,Benitez,
Lampard and Dyche.

Are you still angry at Billy Bingham as well for throwing away the 74-75 league title?

A better manager would have put an arm round Drenthe that day he picked the cup semi final squad and said: "Royston, I cant put you in the team after that stunt, but you're on the bench and you'll get on".

Moyes cost us. There insult a shadow of doubt about that.

 

[canuckblue]

That’s a bit ruff!

Some are shaggier.

 

[davek]

I lived through his first time here, and you don't speak for me pal. Moyes isn't perfect but what I remember is that he overachieved massively on a pretty consistent basis to an extent that's been proven even more impressive by the crap that followed.

I agree, he did.

But he also devalued this club and made us feel like 10 bob.

The two things can be true at the same time.

 

[davek]

Didn't Drenthe go to pick his car up at 3am from Finch Farm after being out on a bender just a couple of days before the semi final?

Ha Ha Ha.

Probably.

The feller would have got right into the heads of Liverpool in that SF.

 

[davek]

Fake news Dave he done that with David Moyes's defence. When the defence started moving on and Martinez had to buy his own that is when Martinez limitations were highlighted. Very good attacking coach but couldn't defend to save his life.

He taught that defence how to pass to each other instead of hoofing it 70 yards as they were instructed to by Moyes. He also got Gareth Barry playing just ahead of it and he knitted it all up.

Let's not rewrite history. Martinez re-opened the school of science.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The sooner they go back to three subs max, the better.

I agree on the three subs, but whilst it is five the answer is quite simple for Everton, instead of constantly looking for the one needle in a haystack manager who can find needle in a haystack players and beat the odds against better teams, it is much much easier just to give any manger the best squad.

PS&R will soon be behind us hopefully, we’ll have revenue from the new stadium, new owners with money. There’s absolutely zero excuse now as to why sustained investment can’t be pumped into this squad until we’re back at the top. I don’t want to hear continuous moaning about managers, I want to see managers being backed with good players again and again window after window. That’s what the sky six are doing, we have to do the same if we want to win anything ever again

 

[PITA]

Moyes record at Everton this season is 2.17 points per game, this rate would give him 82 points if maintained over a season.

Isn't it 14 from 7 games, so 2 points per game which would mean 76 points over a season.

 

[PITA]

He taught that defence how to pass to each other instead of hoofing it 70 yards as they were instructed to by Moyes. He also got Gareth Barry playing just ahead of it and he knitted it all up.

Let's not rewrite history. Martinez re-opened the school of science.

He definitely did that. Problem was that they did it to excess.

 

[BlueStevie35]

A better manager would have put an arm round Drenthe that day he picked the cup semi final squad and said: "Royston, I cant put you in the team after that stunt, but you're on the bench and you'll get on".

Moyes cost us. There insult a shadow of doubt about that.

A better manager? A good chunk of managers would have done what Moyes did, hell one of the greats, Ferguson, would have cancelled Drenthe’s contract on the spot

 

[Delargeinho]

Pretty much now in a position, where top half is gone, as much as relegation is avoided luckily, about where we expected ourselves to be previously to the season, finishing 11th at best and 16th at worst. Thanks for making it very quickly, David!

Important game today to keep the chance of reaching the 11th spot against a team that is very good at their ground despite lately losing bit of the swing of early season at home.

Hopefully can do our best to get a few millions extra for the summer upheaval.

 

[davek]

He definitely did that. Problem was that they did it to excess.

We needed an upgrade in players after season one.

We didn't get it.

If Martinez would've got the cash that fat headed Dutch fraud got we'd have broken through into the top 4.

With what he had (basically what Moyes laboured with cash wise), Martinez in three seasons got us 5th, 11th twice, an FA Cup SF and LC SF, and a last 16 round of the Europa League.

He was a much more technically minded and nuanced manager than the steak and kidney pie "up and at 'em" manager Moyes was...I think Moyes has evolved to something a bit better, btw, but I'm not convinced it's by that much.

 

[davek]

A better manager? A good chunk of managers would have done what Moyes did, hell one of the greats, Ferguson, would have cancelled Drenthe’s contract on the spot

Like he did Cantona's?

SAF had a more nuanced approach to wayward talent than Sgt Maj Moyes.

 

[GOT milk?]

A better manager? A good chunk of managers would have done what Moyes did, hell one of the greats, Ferguson, would have cancelled Drenthe’s contract on the spot

After lobbing a football boot at his head.

 

[PITA]

We needed an upgrade in players after season one.

We didn't get it.

If Martinez would've got the cash that fat headed Dutch fraud got we'd have broken through into the top 4.

With what he had (basically what Moyes laboured with cash wise), Martinez in three seasons got us 5th, 11th twice, an FA Cup SF and LC SF, and a last 16 round of the Europa League.

He was a much more technically minded and nuanced manager than the steak and kidney pie "up and at 'em" manager Moyes was...I think Moyes has evolved to something a bit better, btw, but I'm not convinced it's by that much.

Unfortunately it's all ifs and buts. Anyway, onwards and upwards.