2024/25 David Moyes

Clown alert:


Couple of points:

1. Why do West Ham fans think they can tell us about Moyes? We know everything to know about him, good, bad or indifferent.

2. He used a sound bite of Moyes saying “I win” and he does more than he loses. Did he expect Moyes to win every game he managed for them?

3. Moyes record in full seasons at West Ham was; 6th, 7th, 14th (won Euro trophy) and 9th. They finished below 50pts once.

4. Where are they since he left? Below us in 16th on 27pts and currently on their 2nd manager of the season.

5. As with us, they’ll look back years later and think “it was actually alright in the grand scheme of things under Moyes”. Because let’s face it, they aren’t getting anywhere near Europe again for a long time, just like we haven’t.

6. This fella, as with all Hammers have delusions of grandeur. They think they’re massive, why? We haven’t won a pot for 30 years and we still have about 10 more major trophies than them. They’ve also been relegated twice in seasons when we finished 7th. Their greatest ever season was 85/86 when they finished 3rd. We finished 2nd and it was seen as a failure. They are nowhere near our level historically.
 

By effectively securing our safety with a few months of the season left, Moyes has given us a huge boost in planning for next season. Focus can now be on transfer targets for kicking on and not needing a plan A for premier league football and a plan B in case we’re relegated. Should also help commercial/naming rights deals be sorted out for the new stadium with more certainty about us being a premier league club.
 
Couple of points:

1. Why do West Ham fans think they can tell us about Moyes? We know everything to know about him, good, bad or indifferent.

2. He used a sound bite of Moyes saying “I win” and he does more than he loses. Did he expect Moyes to win every game he managed for them?

3. Moyes record in full seasons at West Ham was; 6th, 7th, 14th (won Euro trophy) and 9th. They finished below 50pts once.

4. Where are they since he left? Below us in 16th on 27pts and currently on their 2nd manager of the season.

5. As with us, they’ll look back years later and think “it was actually alright in the grand scheme of things under Moyes”. Because let’s face it, they aren’t getting anywhere near Europe again for a long time, just like we haven’t.

6. This fella, as with all Hammers have delusions of grandeur. They think they’re massive, why? We haven’t won a pot for 30 years and we still have about 10 more major trophies than them. They’ve also been relegated twice in seasons when we finished 7th. Their greatest ever season was 85/86 when they finished 3rd. We finished 2nd and it was seen as a failure. They are nowhere near our level historically.
And in the near future they could find themselves in a bit of a mess. While we are heading to a stadium that will be very impressive for years to come, they are going to run into problems as their ground is an over sized athletic stadium that was supposed to be downsized and the whole top tier was to be removed. I could see them needing a serious refit in the coming years if they want to retain their big capacity. If they did drop into the bottom 3 in coming seasons and get relegated, can see them being stuck down there a while and good luck getting 50k in to watch the game if that happens.
 
Couple of points:

1. Why do West Ham fans think they can tell us about Moyes? We know everything to know about him, good, bad or indifferent.

2. He used a sound bite of Moyes saying “I win” and he does more than he loses. Did he expect Moyes to win every game he managed for them?

3. Moyes record in full seasons at West Ham was; 6th, 7th, 14th (won Euro trophy) and 9th. They finished below 50pts once.

4. Where are they since he left? Below us in 16th on 27pts and currently on their 2nd manager of the season.

5. As with us, they’ll look back years later and think “it was actually alright in the grand scheme of things under Moyes”. Because let’s face it, they aren’t getting anywhere near Europe again for a long time, just like we haven’t.

6. This fella, as with all Hammers have delusions of grandeur. They think they’re massive, why? We haven’t won a pot for 30 years and we still have about 10 more major trophies than them. They’ve also been relegated twice in seasons when we finished 7th. Their greatest ever season was 85/86 when they finished 3rd. We finished 2nd and it was seen as a failure. They are nowhere near our level historically.
I didn't really pay that much attention to them but on the face of it he did a good job. Probably wishes he left after the cup win.
 
Soucek and Bowen are 2 of West Ham’s best players 😂 so they are poor shouts at using against him.

Bowen prolific enough? For a RW playing for a team like West Ham, scoring 8, 18, 8, 25 over the past 4 seasons if incredibly prolific.

I’d snatch your hand off for a RW that could score even 6-8 a season.
It's about opinions isn't it? That's my opinion. Lukaku was a good striker for us but he was the kind of striker that we as a team won or lost by. If he was on it we won, but if he wasn't we tended to lose...and everyone else in the squad seemed to forget how to score.
I want Everton to be up right at the top and in with a realistic chance of trophies. Yes, west ham won something with Bowen, yes he's a very good player. I just don't think he's ultimately good enough to be the main goalscorer for where I want Everton to be. And I'm right as the other top teams haven't been after him have they?
 

Soucek and Bowen are 2 of West Ham’s best players 😂 so they are poor shouts at using against him.

Bowen prolific enough? For a RW playing for a team like West Ham, scoring 8, 18, 8, 25 over the past 4 seasons if incredibly prolific.

I’d snatch your hand off for a RW that could score even 6-8 a season.
Of course they were good signings for the position west ham were in at the time. Line some of his signings were for us. My.point was more that sometimes these players have ceilings or a massive multi season dip in form and Moyes seems to be loyal to his guys....and I think it's one of his weaknesses. I think he needs to recognise their limitations so as to move the club higher.
 
Of course they were good signings for the position west ham were in at the time. Line some of his signings were for us. My.point was more that sometimes these players have ceilings or a massive multi season dip in form and Moyes seems to be loyal to his guys....and I think it's one of his weaknesses. I think he needs to recognise their limitations so as to move the club higher.
Bowen should leave West Ham. He’s wasting his career there. Rice knew moving on was best,
 
Couple of points:

1. Why do West Ham fans think they can tell us about Moyes? We know everything to know about him, good, bad or indifferent.

2. He used a sound bite of Moyes saying “I win” and he does more than he loses. Did he expect Moyes to win every game he managed for them?

3. Moyes record in full seasons at West Ham was; 6th, 7th, 14th (won Euro trophy) and 9th. They finished below 50pts once.

4. Where are they since he left? Below us in 16th on 27pts and currently on their 2nd manager of the season.

5. As with us, they’ll look back years later and think “it was actually alright in the grand scheme of things under Moyes”. Because let’s face it, they aren’t getting anywhere near Europe again for a long time, just like we haven’t.

6. This fella, as with all Hammers have delusions of grandeur. They think they’re massive, why? We haven’t won a pot for 30 years and we still have about 10 more major trophies than them. They’ve also been relegated twice in seasons when we finished 7th. Their greatest ever season was 85/86 when they finished 3rd. We finished 2nd and it was seen as a failure. They are nowhere near our level historically.

Expectations are a funny thing in the game - you can cut off your nose to spite your face by demanding change. Maybe change is needed but you need to be clear where.

Football managers get the blame for not achieving the fans expectations but you have to look higher up the chain sometimes - something that has affected us, Wham and Tottenham, United in recent years.

Levy and Radcliff are happy with financial results over football results. The Wham owners and board have been dubious for a while and Moyes probably saved their blushes - a bit like with Kenwright.

I wanted Moyes over Potter before we had our good run - but I'm also clear that no manager is going to dramatically change the club without board and ownership competence - Moyes alone isn't going to modernise Everton.

I do think that Moyes is a good coach though, familiarity can breed contempt which I think happened at Everton for Moyes mk1 and Wham too.
 

RS see him as a replacement for Salah, Klopp was a massive Bowen fan, not sure about Slot but he has been linked with them a few times.
I'd be well surprised if he ended up at Liverpool....but!, he does seem to like playing in space on the counterattack like Liverpool do. I hate Liverpool and their players (😅), but he's not Salah is he?
 
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David Moyes' myriad of small changes has transformed Everton's season​


By Alex Keble
Football
Mon February 17, 2025 · 1h ago

The disappearance of the new-manager bounce is a phenomenon that can be explained away, like most things in the Premier League, by the competition’s increasing wealth and status.

The technical and tactical quality in the division continues to grow at a ridiculous rate, and as it increases - insulating the established from the newly promoted - the psychological factors are of diminishing importance.

There is a structure to everything; so much fine-tuned detail in club-building that if the last manager couldn’t raise the bar the chances are the next one won’t be able to either, not without a summer transfer window.

From Ruben Amorim to Ruud van Nistelrooy, from Vitor Pereira to Graham Potter, new managers are finding their team is at exactly the right level for their current ability. There are no kind words or harsh ones that can lift them.
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The Premier League is far too complex and intelligent for emotionality to dictate a rise or fall in the table.

Which brings us onto David Moyes, who has thrown all of that out of the window.

Everton have won 13 points from six matches under Moyes, compared to 17 points from 19 matches under Sean Dyche.

They only need four points from their next three league games to match their entire season total under Moyes’s predecessor in less than half the number of games.

It’s a credit to Moyes’s attention to detail and subtle tactical nous. But it’s an even bigger damnation of Dyche, a manager widely seen as doing a decent job by disinterested neutrals but loathed for a long time by Everton supporters forced to watch his dreary and regressive football.

Moyes has changed a lot, albeit you wouldn’t know it from listening to a mildly bemused pundit class or even if you poured through the statistics. That’s because we aren’t used to seeing one tactical philosophy replaced by a broadly similar approach, only better.

There is no wild swing easily visible to the half-watching eye or to the statistician finding patterns.

Instead, a myriad of small changes: keeping the ball on the ground for longer; taking care with possession; crossing less often; shifting the defensive line 15 yards further forward.

And, most of all, playing the best players.
Everton stats under Moyes - 17/02/25

Jake O’Brien was ignored by Dyche, starting a single Premier League game this season before Moyes took one look at him and decided he could do a job at right-back.

O’Brien has since been one of Everton’s most consistent performers.

Jesper Lindstrom was in the starting lineup for only eight of Dyche’s 19 league games this season but is already on four under Moyes.

His 1.49 chances created per 90 is second only to the injured Dwight McNeil, and the same goes for his 0.61 completed crosses per 90, making Lindstrom the new creative force in the Everton team.

Beto is reborn, revelling in a team that actually creates chances from open play; that doesn’t simply exist to strangle and survive.

He didn’t start a single league game under Dyche in 2024/25, but has now started each of the last four, scoring four goals in the process.
Beto stats under Moyes - 17/02/25

Along with James Garner (injured for most of the season under Dyche) and new signing Carlos Alcaraz, who scored one and assisted another on his league debut at Crystal Palace, that’s five players – or half the outfield team – who barely featured under Dyche just five weeks ago.

There aren’t normally quite so many good players hanging around the reserves. Premier League clubs tend to be far better run than that. That there suggests what we’re seeing here is the last of the dinosaurs; the extinction of that old-school clique who once came in to firefight through the spring.

That has to be the case for Everton, whose decision to cling on under Dyche was over-praised by onlookers and who, with a new stadium coming and Premier League life secured, must ensure the Dychian days are over.

Moyes has already shown the folly of trusting out-and-out defensive coaches in the modern game. Dyche was surely the last of them at Everton, and, quite possibly, the final one in Premier League history.
Almost word for word , most like minded Blues on this very forum. could have penned that.

Anyone that differs from this were sucked into the Dyche media led narrative & either ignorant , stupid or both.

Of course he done what he was brought in to do , first & foremost to avoid relegation in truly testing circumstances. The main reason he achieved this was the teams relegated were in a much worse state than we were & some very fortuitous decisions and results going our way.
That's not to say another manager couldn't have done the very same.

This season was the straw that broke the camels back , from a ridiculously prepared pre season to the turgid football served up from the start to his exit laid bare the myth that he was the "right fit" and made a mockery of the "be careful what you wish for" brigade.
Only now the world can see just how bad a manager Dyche is when a capable manager almost instantly changes the whole club , players & fans psyche , actually playing football with a plan and utilising the strengths of players shunned by Dyche.

For now I hope we confine this period into the same bin as Benitez etc al , huge stains on the clubs past hopefully never to return again.
 
I'd be well surprised if he ended up at Liverpool....but!, he does seem to like playing in space on the counterattack like Liverpool do. I hate Liverpool and their players (😅), but he's not Salah is he?
When you look at Bowens numbers, they are actually quite impressive, I think in a better team he would produce close to Salah numbers, he is very underrated imo. He is well above West Hams level.
 

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