2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[WelshBlue92]

Dyche was an improvement on Benitez and Lampard and kept us up with arguably weaker sides than both of those managers.
I thought he did a solid, if hard to watch, job in his first 18 months.

After last years total of 48 points accrued, his feet firmly under the table and a summer window where the squad was replenished with Ndiyae, Lindstrom, Broja, Mangala, Iro and O'Brien I expected us to be comfortably mid table this season.
However what was highlighted was Dyches lack of flexibility in his approach and his various blind spots with regards to players strengths/weaknesses, general tactics, game management and how to get the best of this group of players.
Dyche has a rigid system and a low ceiling and I think will be destined to remain a firefighter manager rescuing clubs from relegation but never getting them comfortably up the table.
I'm grateful for what he did but also glad the club pulled the plug as he'd clearly lost the dressing room with his stifling tactics and we were destined for another relegation fight, one that this time we may not have survived.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

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Morning

Why has this thread not been locked?

Thanks

This is inappropriate behaviour?

Seriously?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

This is inappropriate behaviour?

Seriously?

It was meant for off-topic/because it's off topic/playing the ref. Same points.

It's also explained a few times as to why the thread is open, with warnings posts will be warned - examples here, here.

 

[MikeH72]

Perception is a weird thing. His last 6 results weren't even that bad.

Wolves W
Chelsea D
Arsenal D
City D
Forest L
Bournemouth L

Don't even think being beaten by Forest or Bournemouth is that calamitous given what they are doing this season - we were bossed by Bournemouth under Moyes last week.

Was the early season form and in hindsight the Bournemouth game at home - that lost a lot of the fan base. That was compounded week after week by pragmatic risk adverse football.

We failed to score a goal in 4 of those 6 games and failed to have a shot on target in 3 of them.

 

[barneygumble]

Whys it still open?

Been gone 5 weeks now.

Get it closed

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Whys it still open?

Been gone 5 weeks now.

Get it closed

Because people want to discuss a manager who left last month.

Evidently, given the replies.

It will auto close - like every former manager thread, and every former player thread, every match thread - when people stop replying and it's deemed no longer relevant.

Yet again - warnings, and eventual bans will occur for people who cry arse over a thread they don't have to click in, or post in if they don't want to.

 

[Lanolin]

Let’s get a couple of things right, last season he didn’t ‘save’ us, we were comfortably safe even with the points deductions

Season before that, he had us on a run of 2 wins in 12 going into Bournemouth and we only had a chance there because Leicester had missed a penalty to go 3-1 up against us 4 games earlier which we got a point from, and 6 days earlier they were denied a win that would have made the last day redundant by a last gasp save by Newcastle’s keeper

This is just a properly weird way of looking at things. It's basically the forum equivalent of just sticking your fingers in your ears going 'lalala I hate Dyche'. There's no real need to use words like 'saved' or whatever I agree, but this steadfast refusal by huge swathes of the forum to give any credit to him whatsoever is honestly one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. I mean even Mussolini gets credited with making the trains run on time, Dyche takes us over in 19th and keeps us up and it was purely because a goalkeeper did his job in a game we weren't playing in. So bizarre.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

This is just a properly weird way of looking at things. It's basically the forum equivalent of just sticking your fingers in your ears going 'lalala I hate Dyche'. There's no real need to use words like 'saved' or whatever I agree, but this steadfast refusal by huge swathes of the forum to give any credit to him whatsoever is honestly one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. I mean even Mussolini gets credited with making the trains run on time, Dyche takes us over in 19th and keeps us up and it was purely because a goalkeeper did his job in a game we weren't playing in. So bizarre.

Agree.

We're a fickle bunch.

Short memories.

Sometimes I'll try and demonstrate that in debate, by showing people their very own interpretation of events in Jan 2023, having wrote us off as down/proclaiming miracle if we stay up. Or my own. @windymiller

People will tell me it's not true that people won't allow any credit to Dyche, and that nobody really hates him - but this thread continually proves otherwise. Yesterday there's posts saying they hated him, most despised manager. Really? Bizarre to me.

- Tremendous job to keep us up.
- First full season, great job to earn enough points to take us 22 points clear - shame the point deductions caused added pressure and angst all season.
- This season, wheels come off. He needed to go, that was only happening when new owners come in, and did, with us above the drop.

But then I've said all that loads.

What's to hate?

 

[Gilbert..]

Perception is a weird thing. His last 6 results weren't even that bad.

Wolves W
Chelsea D
Arsenal D
City D
Forest L
Bournemouth L

Don't even think being beaten by Forest or Bournemouth is that calamitous given what they are doing this season - we were bossed by Bournemouth under Moyes last week.

Was the early season form and in hindsight the Bournemouth game at home - that lost a lot of the fan base. That was compounded week after week by pragmatic risk adverse football.

I find that a weird perception of not that bad. Its one step away from just add wins to it.
Two of those away games Everton never accumulated 1 single shot at the opposition goal.
As bad as Everton have been over the past few years, thats never acceptable. Esp as a new manager has come in and shown there was a lot more life in these players.
I said id stay out of this one now as its been done to death. But im still reeled in at times when i read dyche wasnt doing "to bad"
He was getting this club relegated.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Because people want to discuss a manager who left last month.

Evidently, given the replies.

It will auto close - like every former manager thread, and every former player thread, every match thread - when people stop replying and it's deemed no longer relevant.

Yet again - warnings, and eventual bans will occur for people who cry arse over a thread they don't have to click in, or post in if they don't want to.

But I don’t want guitar lessons.

 

[Neiler]

I find that a weird perception of not that bad. Its one step away from just add wins to it.
Two of those away games Everton never accumulated 1 single shot at the opposition goal.
As bad as Everton have been over the past few years, thats never acceptable. Esp as a new manager has come in and shown there was a lot more life in these players.
I said id stay out of this one now as its been done to death. But im still reeled in at times when i read dyche wasnt doing "to bad"
He was getting this club relegated.

But had something ridiculous like one of the best defensive status in Europe.

Entropy isn’t it.

 

[Gilbert..]

But had something ridiculous like one of the best defensive status in Europe.

Entropy isn’t it.

I mean come on. Again this has been covered. We know why. Look at the goals per game stats. When he left we'd played 19 games. Scored 15. Thats atrocious. Isnt that one of the worst in Europe aswell? Against Arsenal Ndiaye basically played as a right back against Saka.
Anything attacking wise was sacrificed because he never knew how to break any teams down. He wasnt some tactical defensive genius. He just knew how to camp in on the edge of his own box.

 

[MikeH72]

I mean come on. Again this has been covered. We know why. Look at the goals per game stats. When he left we'd played 19 games. Scored 15. Thats atrocious. Isnt that one of the worst in Europe aswell? Against Arsenal Ndiaye basically played as a right back against Saka.
Anything attacking wise was sacrificed because he never knew how to break any teams down. He wasnt some tactical defensive genius. He just knew how to camp in on the edge of his own box.

Pickford being in the form of his life as well as having everyone sat on the edge of the box was the reason our defensive record was good. How many times has Pickford seriously been called into action in the past 5 games? Our defensive unit is better now than it was under Dyche, we give up less chances if you actually watch the game rather than just look at a scoreline.

 

[Joey66]

Pickford being in the form of his life as well as having everyone sat on the edge of the box was the reason our defensive record was good. How many times has Pickford seriously been called into action in the past 5 games? Our defensive unit is better now than it was under Dyche, we give up less chances if you actually watch the game rather than just look at a scoreline.

I stated we could have had the best front two strikers in the land & they would have struggled under Dyches 10 men behind the ball & Hoof it anywhere tactics - it was a painful watch ....

 

[Gilbert..]

Pickford being in the form of his life as well as having everyone sat on the edge of the box was the reason our defensive record was good. How many times has Pickford seriously been called into action in the past 5 games? Our defensive unit is better now than it was under Dyche, we give up less chances if you actually watch the game rather than just look at a scoreline.

Despite what some think it isnt about putting the boot into dyche. Lost count how many times ive said he did a job last season. But that was gone. This was this one and its been all wrong since day one. We wasnt even competetive in games in terms of winning. If lucky grabbing a nil nil. Anyone who thinks he wasnt taking this club to the championship is living in blind ignorance.