badloaf
Player Valuation: £6m
So how do owners employ a manager with no history of working with other owners?
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
shockingly the same players who lost plenty of games over the last few seasons have not won every single game under the new manager. Maybe the answer is to change the manager…again…
At what point will the fan base stop obsessing over the limitations of the manager and focus on actually giving any manager a much better group of players.
I’d love to be having an argument about how an Everton manager is mishandling a blatant top 4 squad, rather than arguing about whether he’s a rubbish manager because he can’t get rubbish players to not be rubbish on a consistent basis.
The issues haven’t gone away just because Moyes is a very good manager who can play to strengths. There’s no pace in the team, we’ve got a pop gun attack, there’s no depth anywhere, and it’s e generally unintelligent group of players who make extremely stupid decisions when in possession. Moyes coming in doesn’t miraculously change all of that.
We need to get to the summer in the league (which we look likely to achieve), then start improving the squad. Just forget about the manager for a season or two for christ sake and focus on the quality of players coming in. We should be demanding a complete reset from the new owners. There’s no excuse now, PS&R head room is there, there’s assets in the playing squad with value, there’s revenue from then stadium and commercial deals, there’s a reduced wage bill with several players coming off contract. It’s time to put the pedal down and back the manager with some statement signings in numerous potions injecting pace and quality into the team.
We should be talking about that for the next two seasons not angling for another managerial change in the summer, it’s the last thing the club needs.
At what point will the fan base stop obsessing over the limitations of the manager and focus on actually giving any manager a much better group of players.
I’d love to be having an argument about how an Everton manager is mishandling a blatant top 4 squad, rather than arguing about whether he’s a rubbish manager because he can’t get rubbish players to not be rubbish on a consistent basis.
The issues haven’t gone away just because Moyes is a very good manager who can play to strengths. There’s no pace in the team, we’ve got a pop gun attack, there’s no depth anywhere, and it’s e generally unintelligent group of players who make extremely stupid decisions when in possession. Moyes coming in doesn’t miraculously change all of that.
We need to get to the summer in the league (which we look likely to achieve), then start improving the squad. Just forget about the manager for a season or two for christ sake and focus on the quality of players coming in. We should be demanding a complete reset from the new owners. There’s no excuse now, PS&R head room is there, there’s assets in the playing squad with value, there’s revenue from then stadium and commercial deals, there’s a reduced wage bill with several players coming off contract. It’s time to put the pedal down and back the manager with some statement signings in numerous potions injecting pace and quality into the team.
We should be talking about that for the next two seasons not angling for another managerial change in the summer, it’s the last thing the club needs.
Cameron Manning
Player Valuation: £35m
Ring master
Player Valuation: £90m
Dont even get why there is talk from anyone that Moyes wont be here after the season ends. He signed a 2 and a half yea contract, which i think bar unless we went down, that there is any thought of him going. I honestly thought he would sign for 6months before he came like many thought, and we would see then. But he has got us fighting (Or the players are fighting for the boss) and i like the way Moyes says it how it is, not tell fibs,or like Dyche kept saying weekly "Lets change the story" etc
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
The fanbase? Aka Dave and a smattering of others?
Majority are positive about Moyes and saying that we will inevitably lose games but he has shown already he is better than what came before and can get more out of this squad (however poor people think they may be).
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
Bournemouth have finished above us about twice in their history.
They are flavour of the month now with what looks like a very good manager but he will be gone in the summer to a big club.
Bournemouth will be fighting relegation in the next year or two when their manager and good players are poached.
Sorry mate not a chance footballers choose them over us.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
This fan base is uniquely obsessed with managers. It will get absolutely irate at managers whilst board after board sit there for decades running sell to profit transfer policies. Kenwright was getting clapped whilst fans were ripping into Moyes for hitting glass ceilings and bottling games and not winning at top 4 grounds.
When the owners of the club are keeping our top players, providing regular transfer budgets in both windows, proving top quality squads with depth in all positions…then we can entertain an obsession with the manager. Until then though we should be putting all the heat on the owners of the club.
I don’t want to see Everton managers go into another season without a fit striker, no reserve full backs, two keepers on the bench, waiting until last day of the window for recruitments but the best players have already been sold. It’s embarrassing and yet all anyone gets irate about whether the manager has played some 16 year old kid at right back or not.
Moyes is here now, we know he’s a good manager who can move teams up the league into European spaces, the fans in general need to now stop obsessing over his every decision in every game and focus instead on whether the owners are backing him. So far in one window there’s a loan player after a match where lost two key first team players to long term injury.
All perfectly fine and reasonable Mike, but I’d just strongly prefer we do it all with some other manager that wasn’t Moyes. It’s utterly selfish and I know it, but I can’t currently get past the club deciding to make a change and getting me interested and a bit excited for a few hours before just doing Everton again. They can feck off and so can Moyes
This is what it is. We will lose as many as we win with this squad but the emphasis is attempting to win. Moyes 3 wins in 4 Dyche 3 wins in 19. Draws will only keep us around relegation spots whereas wins will pull us away. The attempt to win will invariably get us more wins and also will result in more losses with our squad.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Fortunately 1 win and 1 loss will get us more points than 2 draws which me and @Saint Domingo both agree on.
Drico
Player Valuation: £70m
Immediate future = end of the season.
When we are safe, job’s done.
Or it would be if our new owners have a vision. If they don’t, enjoy taking shiny knives to gunfights.
Truth be told, that old shtick will soon wear off when the novelty of the new stadium does.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Glad to see your maths is improving
NSNO1878EFC
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The owners gave Moyes a 2.5 year deal, they’re not giving him that with a plan to get rid of him at the end of the season unless they’re clueless.
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
That's what you want to believe but the reality is that the only way Moyes leaves before his contract expires is if there's dramatic decline in our form to the point that its comparable to what Dyche had before he was sacked. In the real world, after getting over the line this season, we will likely see a small improvement and be aiming for something like 12th then 10th the season after. Hardly jetsetting stuff but its what we need right now after having close to half a decade of solid relegation battles. Once those two seasons are done with and we have a better base to work with and a halfway competent team. Then we'll look for a better class of manager and talk aspirations
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I wonder if there may be a plan for him to "go upstairs" at some point?
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