2024/25 David Moyes

[Saint Domingo]

Does lampard deserve credit as well? Nobody seems to mention him, but he is widely seen as a very limited manager who had to go.

Dyche kept us up, but was struggling massively this season. It's all a moot point though because he asked the owners to sack him. No manager deserves credit after that.

I’ve got two criteria for sacking managers:

They consistently under perform the quality of the squad over time (as in more than one season)

They are definitely relegating us if things don’t change.


Martinez falls under the first category after his third season so I wanted him to go.

Koenan I believe was taking us down. I know people look at the table and say he wasn’t but that team had no pace, couldn’t run, couldn’t pass, the manager hated being here, was wasting money every window. We were well rid.

Silva I felt was neither he got let down by Everton’s recruitment and Keane, Davies, Siggurdson phoned it in enough to move Moshiri’s trigger finger much too early.

Benitez was taking us down so got fired.

Lampard deserves credit for keeping us up in my view, that run in was arguably more impressive than the one the season after (although he did have Richarlison Mina Gordon Iwobi Allan) . Beating Newcastle with 10 men, United, Chelsea, Leicester away (when they were good), and Palace was an unbelievable finish to keep us up.

The next season I really wanted him to kick on and be the manager for a long time to build something, after the Palace game I thought we were going in the right direction and there was a banner in the crowd with his face on. Then he lost just about every game and the players were arguing with fans. I didn’t want him to go but by that point he had to go.

So yes he does deserve credit but at that time he had to be fired. Dyche never got himself in either of those positions for me so I backed him. Same way Moyes never did during his time here.

 

[Nymzee]

I’ve got two criteria for sacking managers:

They consistently under perform the quality of the squad over time

They are definitely relegating us if things don’t change.


Martinez falls under the first category after his third season so I wanted him to go.

Koenan I believe was taking us down. I know people look at the table and say he wasn’t but that team had no pace, couldn’t run, couldn’t pass, the manager hated being here, was wasting money every window. We were well rid.

Silva I felt was neither he got let down by Everton’s recruitment and Keane, Davies, Siggurdson phoned it in enough to move Moshiri’s trigger finger much too early.

Benitez was taking us down so got fired.

Lampard deserves credit for keeping us up in my view, that run in was arguably more impressive than the one the season after (although he did have Richarlison Mina Gordon Iwobi Allan) . Beating Newcastle with 10 men, United, Chelsea, Leicester away (when they were good), and Palace was an unbelievable finish to keep us up.

The next season I really wanted him to kick on and be the manager for a long time to build something, after the Palace game I thought we were going in the right direction and there was a banner in the crowd with his face on. Then he lost just about every game and the players were arguing with fans. I didn’t want him to go but by that point he had to go.

So yes he does deserve credit but at that time he had to be fired. Dyche never got himself in either of those positions for me so I backed him. Same way Moyes never did during his time here.

Surely Dyche hit both of your criteria this season?

Moyes has shone a light on the first one immediately.

 

[jazzy]

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

This veneration of Dyche is getting ridiculous.

I will acknowledge that he managed the club in difficult circumstances and did well to keep us up in his first 2 seasons.

However this season has been an unmitigated disaster with not only appalling results but football that was unwatchable at times.

The performance of the same players in 4 games under Moyes puts a lie to the " great return for that group of players " argument and should make Dyche thoroughly embarrassed.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Just a reminder that 34 points would have kept us up last season.

Credit for the first half a season for sure. Last season he just did his job in the easiest season of all time.

Then he cried this season and walked off with a bag of cash. In the bin with him next to Benitez.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Surely Dyche hit both of your criteria this season?

Moyes has shone a light on the first one immediately.

No.

 

[Marius57]

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

Do you understand how football works?

We lose the last 4 games and the teams we lost to get 3 points.

We would be on 17 points. Leicester would be on 20. Wolves on 19. We would be 18th (in the relegation zone), only 1 point above 19th.

 

[Saint Domingo]

This veneration of Dyche is getting ridiculous.

I will acknowledge that he managed the club in difficult circumstances and did well to keep us up in his first 2 seasons.

However this season has been an unmitigated disaster with not only appalling results but football that was unwatchable at times.

The performance of the same players in 4 games under Moyes puts a lie to the " great return for that group of players " argument and should make Dyche thoroughly embarrassed.

You’re taking a quote I said about the 22/23 season run in and attributing it to this one. I’ve never said it was a great return this season.

 

[Nyhus]

As a sidenote, the only thing dominating this forum at the moment is a bunch of absolute wetwipes passively aggressively attacking someone who's a long standing poster and has just as much right as them to post his opinions here. Coz they aren't capable of debating the points he makes make personal attacks on him, and they engage in a huge cliquey pile on to try to insinuate he should be banned. Scruffy little grasses.

Thats not whats happening at all. I like Davek and id like like him to stay around. Hes a fun poster. But he is also a wum, and his wumming hit a critical mass of sillyness in january - and it seems the majority of regular posters on here is so done with his preposterousness theyre ridiculing him insted of engaging with his wum posts. Unless its done with real nastyness, i see no issue with it. He is reaping what he sowed.

 

[degsy]

Up to now Moyes has done OK...early days yet obvs...
If somewhere along the track he reverts to the bad parts of Moyes Mk1.

I will call him...Moyes and anybody who mindlessly backs him for it...out on it

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Lampard deserves credit for keeping us up in my view, that run in was arguably more impressive than the one the season after (although he did have Richarlison Mina Gordon Iwobi Allan) .

Lampard didn't improve us.

We stumbled over the line.

We sacked all of Koeman, Silva an Lampard with us in the relegation zone.

Benitez though, was sacked "15th in the table, six points above the relegation zone." After a good start, we'd won only 1 in 13.

Read the press around his appointment - there wasn't really any expectation we'd go down. Some reports don't even mention relegation.

Only once have I expected us to go down, and it was Lampard's full season and before Dyche come in.

Lampard celebrating Palace in the stands and giving credibility to a failing board like we'd won the league is an image I'd rather forget. Give me Dyche's attitude after Bournemouth all day.

 

[micknick]

Lampard didn't improve us.

We stumbled over the line.

We sacked all of Koeman, Silva an Lampard with us in the relegation zone.

Benitez though, was sacked "15th in the table, six points above the relegation zone." After a good start, we'd won only 1 in 13.

Read the press around his appointment - there wasn't really any expectation we'd go down. Some reports don't even mention relegation.

Only once have I expected us to go down, and it was Lampard's full season and before Dyche come in.

Lampard celebrating Palace in the stands and giving credibility to a failing board like we'd won the league is an image I'd rather forget. Give me Dyche's attitude after Bournemouth all day.

Some of the results in the run that season were ridiculius.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Some of the results in the run that season were ridiculius.

Necessary because losing to the likes of Southampton, Newcastle (relegation candidate at the time), Burnley, Wolves - draws Watford, Brentford.

We all remember Palace, but we lost to Brentford at home the game before after taking the lead twice. The season we were pissing away 2-0 leads to lose to Burnley.

We sacked Benitez 6 points above the drop, and 16th. Lampard come in and didn't improve us, so if we're giving him credit, in reality - he did less than Benitez.

Then in Lampards full season, he left us on our knees - 19th and lowest ever points total in our history going into Feb.

Nice guy, though eh.

 

[Neiler]

Never see the point of going back, Dyche is gone.

He did great in 18 months, superb performance at our very lowest, always be grateful.

He ran out of road this season and we move on.

His era, we were a different club, he was the tool of the time and proved the correct one.

The club is a different club now, it doesn't need rescuing or protecting anymore, it needs recovering.

We now have the right man in place now to do that.

We all move on.

Think its that simple myself.

That's football.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

Just a reminder that 34 points would have kept us up last season.

Credit for the first half a season for sure. Last season he just did his job in the easiest season of all time.

Then he cried this season and walked off with a bag of cash. In the bin with him next to Benitez.

That does ignore his people management, keeping players at least pointing in the same direction in the most vindictive season a PL club has ever faced from the authorities. For the abysmal football etc, I think behind the scenes he did a fantastic job on that part.

He has one message to give to players in terms of actual football, and it’s a pretty basic one. Can get away with it when sneaking results; but the players ran out of steam with him, and him with them ages ago. Can happen and will happen at clubs further up the table than us.

Had to go, deserved to go. Suspect if his personality was different and more amenable (which apparently it very much is irl) we wouldn’t still be moaning about him and would be looking forward instead of back.

 

[Thomasc]

Really don't understand why all the Dychettes are getting their knickers in a twist.

I thought most fans had said thank you and appreciated how he navigated the tricky season he endured last season.

He did well last season under difficult circumstances, granted though we didn’t win for 13 games in the middle of the season.

Really surprised some aren’t willing to grab a bit of positivity, maybe they just like living in misery constantly.

Another thing I don’t understand though is how one certain poster has labelled our current manager “Judas scum” that’s incredibly OTT really, especially when the same guy backed Benitez who belittled Everton when R/S manager.

Bit weird all this.