2024/25 David Moyes

[T Bone]

Dave's just getting in early. Trust me the first bad bit of form we hit he will recruit disciples. The cowards are among us right now. You'll see.

At least BraveK is out there swinging in such circumstances. It's the gremlins that will start to back him up when hard times come. They are the ones that command disrespect and ridicule.

 

[BlueInNZ]

I've just dropped into this thread and yet again one absolute moron is totally dominating this thread. Just like most other threads I drop into. I've got him on ignore but, seriously, this is ridiculous.

 

[Cow kecks]

We were struggling but the players were still with him and he had serious obstacles to contend with in terms of injuries to creative players like Garner and McNeil...and we were still two places off the relegation zone.

But as before: this is about handing the feller a bit of credit rather than pillorying him.

Not too many managers would have stuck around last season never mind oversee a remarkable 48 points run up in the face of the powers of the English game seeking to relegate us.

I can think of 5 million reasons why managers would stick around.

 

[SJB]

What days the press conference this week? Be good to hear his explanation of what went on (or didn't go on) in the transfer window.

As a sidenote, the only thing dominating this forum at the moment is a bunch of absolute wetwipes passively aggressively attacking someone who's a long standing poster and has just as much right as them to post his opinions here. Coz they aren't capable of debating the points he makes make personal attacks on him, and they engage in a huge cliquey pile on to try to insinuate he should be banned. Scruffy little grasses.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

What days the press conference this week? Be good to hear his explanation of what went on (or didn't go on) in the transfer window.

As a sidenote, the only thing dominating this forum at the moment is a bunch of absolute wetwipes passively aggressively attacking someone who's a long standing poster and has just as much right as them to post his opinions here. Coz they aren't capable of debating the points he makes make personal attacks on him, and they engage in a huge cliquey pile on to try to insinuate he should be banned. Scruffy little grasses.

I understand that @davek is posting his opinion and he is a longstanding poster on GOT, but as negative as he is about Everton, I am on the positive side.

I don't want him to be banned because we all have the right to voice our opinion.

What gets my back up is being called a passive aggressive scruffy little grass wetwipe who is not capable of debating when I have no idea who you are.

Enjoy your day.

 

[HKContractDave]

What days the press conference this week? Be good to hear his explanation of what went on (or didn't go on) in the transfer window.

As a sidenote, the only thing dominating this forum at the moment is a bunch of absolute wetwipes passively aggressively attacking someone who's a long standing poster and has just as much right as them to post his opinions here. Coz they aren't capable of debating the points he makes make personal attacks on him, and they engage in a huge cliquey pile on to try to insinuate he should be banned. Scruffy little grasses.

They've changed it to the Friday 2 weeks in a row (both Saturday games) now so probably the 7th, unless there's different rules for the cup?

 

[matty1878]

dave says he hates liverpool more then he loves everton

says it all

 

[Tel001]

He's been here for 4 games mate.

Maybe your analysis stacks up by the end of the season and he gets near to Dyche's 48 points in a season when the PL were trying to kill us with points deductions x2 eh?

17 days it took him to do what Dyche done in 5 months

We have 14 ? Games left?

We need 14 points to get to safety… 3 wins and a couple of draws …

We aren’t safe yet but you have to admit it looks and feels ten times better than when Dyche was here

 

[Saint Domingo]

We were struggling but the players were still with him and he had serious obstacles to contend with in terms of injuries to creative players like Garner and McNeil...and we were still two places off the relegation zone.

But as before: this is about handing the feller a bit of credit rather than pillorying him.

Not too many managers would have stuck around last season never mind oversee a remarkable 48 points run up in the face of the powers of the English game seeking to relegate us.

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

 

[Tel001]

Sorry why is 48 points now the benchmark? It wasn’t for Dyche this season according to you, 35 points was his target, set by yourself. Why have the goalposts moved now?

Dave still insists that bobby has our best ever prem season with 72 points finishing 5th when Moyes had us finishing 4th

I know which season I’d have given the option … 4th

 

[Tel001]

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

Another way to spin it was 2 defeats in 12 or whatever it was … sounds great … but we were like 2 points from the drop zone

 

[davek]

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

Absolutely this.

Anyone begrudging Dyche credit for what he did need to read that ^^^ post. The perilous position and quality of the teams we had to survive against in that first half season he came in; then the two points deductions of his one full season in charge are not being fully appreciated. By some.

All of the stuff this season about getting relegated was the usual fare of the managerial-merry-go-round lot. They've been at it since Martinez...remember when Martinez was relegating us when we slipped to 11th in the table? They'll be doing it to Moyes shortly.

Moyes is the right choice it seems. For now. I honestly dont see him staying though.

A new broom will eventually sweep clean. TFG will want to make their own mark here and Ild be surprised if he were Everton manager past the summer.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Another way to spin it was 2 defeats in 12 or whatever it was … sounds great … but we were like 2 points from the drop zone

We were close undoubtedly, but I didn’t see us ever going down. You can tell sides that are going down, they ship goals for fun, rack up losses, stop working etc.

You could look at goal difference, recent form, clean sheets, the effort of the players. That wasn’t a side that was going down. Moyes even said so himself. This was a team that got off to a bad start, had a number of injuries to key players, had some tough fixtures at home, and got on the wrong side of a few tight results.

All I will say though is that camp harmony seemed to have gone after the Friedkin’s arrived and the body language wasn’t great against Bournemouth and if the manager and players aren’t 100% bought in at that point then the change is necessary and the Friedkin’s made it.

I hope people realise there’s a million different universes from January 23 and all the PS&R trouble that lay ahead, and not many of them end with us being mid table, with new billionaire owners, debt free (aside from stadium) and moving into a fully owned new stadium as a PL team. Dyche made that happen at a time of injury crises, no board in place at the club, selling for transfer profit, and points deductions. If he was even half as useless as some people like to make out then we’d probably be looking at league 1 fixtures right now and lease rates on the new stadium.

 

[trueblue84]

We could have lost the last 4 games and we still wouldn’t be in the relegation zone and have a game in hand.

All this ‘we were being driven to relegation’ was a bit ridiculous off the back of two defeats against form teams in the league (one away at Bournemouth by a last minute brilliant finish after they’ve been battering everyone else)

In my view however the decision had to be made as soon as the Friedkins came in, you either back the in situ manager or pick your own, you can’t keep a dead man walking in post though. They’ve made the decision and I believe it was the right one. Dyche did a very good job for me over the course of his contract and if we’d have had Branthwaite Garner McNeil fit and firing from day one this season we probably have a handful more points that would have quieted a lot of the panic sooner but i don’t think anyone wanted him to stay for what will be a completely different job for rebuilding the squad over the summer and pushing up the table.

Therefore the Friekdins either had allowed him to stay until summer, or get your manager in now and give him a head start. I think we’ve arrived at a good place now where all the players know who will be in charge in the future and they’re playing to be a part of next season’s squad as of now.

There’ll be some who won’t/can’t give Dyche any credit for steering us through probably the most dangerous period in our top flight history. When we’re back challenging for Europe in our brand new stadium with no debt and transfer monies every window maybe they’ll take some time to reflect on the alternative of what Everton life would be like if Dyche hadn’t have beaten Rodger’s Leicester and Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds to survival without a striker for half of it, and then not marshalled that some group of players to 48 points amongst two deductions.

Beating Arsenal, beating Brighton away, Leeds Brentford Bournemouth at home, Simms last minute at Stamford Bridge, Mina last minute v Wolves, Keane with 10 men against Spurs. Look at the run in that season and the fixtures, consider we had a team without a striker for most of it, look at how many results we underperformed on (perhaps Newcastle and Fulham at home that was it), it was a great return for that group of players at that time and it’s probably saved the future of the club.

Does lampard deserve credit as well? Nobody seems to mention him, but he is widely seen as a very limited manager who had to go.

Dyche kept us up, but was struggling massively this season. It's all a moot point though because he asked the owners to sack him. No manager deserves credit after that.

 

[jazzy]

We were close undoubtedly, but I didn’t see us ever going down. You can tell sides that are going down, they ship goals for fun, rack up losses, stop working etc.

You could look at goal difference, recent form, clean sheets, the effort of the players. That wasn’t a side that was going down. Moyes even said so himself. This was a team that got off to a bad start, had a number of injuries to key players, had some tough fixtures at home, and got on the wrong side of a few tight results.

All I will say though is that camp harmony seemed to have gone after the Friedkin’s arrived and the body language wasn’t great against Bournemouth and if the manager and players aren’t 100% bought in at that point then the change is necessary and the Friedkin’s made it.

I hope people realise there’s a million different universes from January 23 and all the PS&R trouble that lay ahead, and not many of them end with us being mid table, with new billionaire owners, debt free (aside from stadium) and moving into a fully owned new stadium as a PL team. Dyche made that happen at a time of injury crises, no board in place at the club, selling for transfer profit, and points deductions. If he was even half as useless as some people like to make out then we’d probably be looking at league 1 fixtures right now and lease rates on the new stadium.

Teams that go down are those that can't score and can't win.