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Suggesting Moyes six weeks ago and the vast majority of those now praising him would have lynched you and telling you what a sideways move it was and show some ambition.
I was give or take a lone voice on here - though there was a silent cohort as the new manager poll showed, though very few would acknowledge it publicly.
Now its the popular view. Much is as it has always been - in that opinion - is reactive rather then strategic, analytical or reflective.
Ultimately the same thing will happen again, people will turn on Moyes, we're just at the start point of that and this same cycle again.
Its perpetual.
Ultimately the safe thing to do with your opinion - if you are interested in being internet right (and many are in places like this)- is always be against a manager - they always fail ultimately, unless they win the league. Even then..........
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Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
To be fair it did feel like a very uninspiring appointment as we all wanted a new beginning.
But sometimes you have to step sideways or back to be able to move forward.
That said, Moyes is and always was a forward step from Dyche.
And in a weirdly random way, the winless run started after a win against Burnley and only ended after another win against Burnley.
Not sure that means anything to be fair
cantlivewithem
Player Valuation: £1m
The problem with Dyche is that he is suited to a club like Burnley where the sole aim each season is to be one place above the bottom 3. His whole method of coaching and tactical approach to each season is to eek those points out across the 38 games.
That is fine if is he is managing a team that is not capable of anything more than that and when he replaced Lampard we were probably in a position where that was acceptable and all we could have hoped for. But this season our team is more capable of being in the 10-14th place bracket and should not have been anywhere near relegation. Dyche's tactics would have kept us hovering one or two points above the drop zone
He has created a relegation battle this season when there was no need for one. He constantly told the media that is where Everton should be. Whilst he may well have kept us up by a couple of points, the season would have been torturous. We aren't amazing at the moment and the summer is where we can start building a brighter future. However it is evident in the players already that they totally seem and more free and less shackled than they were under the previous regime. Its seems like a far more energized Everton after just a couple of weeks like a big burden has been lifted from them.
I know last season but for the points deduction we would have been mid table on 48 points rather than 40. But i reckon if we hadn't had the points deduction we would have still only ended up with 40 points anyway. The times at which we got each points deduction had the effect of galvanising the team, forcing a response and as a result going on a mini run because each deduction immediately put us back down into relegation territory. Had we not lost those points each time we would probably have just shunted along much like we are doing this season, picking up the odd point here and there to keep us just above the bottom three.
That is fine if is he is managing a team that is not capable of anything more than that and when he replaced Lampard we were probably in a position where that was acceptable and all we could have hoped for. But this season our team is more capable of being in the 10-14th place bracket and should not have been anywhere near relegation. Dyche's tactics would have kept us hovering one or two points above the drop zone
He has created a relegation battle this season when there was no need for one. He constantly told the media that is where Everton should be. Whilst he may well have kept us up by a couple of points, the season would have been torturous. We aren't amazing at the moment and the summer is where we can start building a brighter future. However it is evident in the players already that they totally seem and more free and less shackled than they were under the previous regime. Its seems like a far more energized Everton after just a couple of weeks like a big burden has been lifted from them.
I know last season but for the points deduction we would have been mid table on 48 points rather than 40. But i reckon if we hadn't had the points deduction we would have still only ended up with 40 points anyway. The times at which we got each points deduction had the effect of galvanising the team, forcing a response and as a result going on a mini run because each deduction immediately put us back down into relegation territory. Had we not lost those points each time we would probably have just shunted along much like we are doing this season, picking up the odd point here and there to keep us just above the bottom three.
He was loving the leadership vacuum at Everton. Any other club and he would've been sacked way before he was. You could see it in his smug pre-match pressers and post-match interviews. As soon as the friedkins were in, his arse went and he begged them to sack him.
NeilMorepies
Player Valuation: £35m
‘Sake..
Are you lot still desperately trying to invent ways of tarnishing ‘Super’ Shaun’s successful leadership of our Club.
Get over it lads.
Are you lot still desperately trying to invent ways of tarnishing ‘Super’ Shaun’s successful leadership of our Club.
Get over it lads.
Absolutely this....its no coincidence he threw his hand in 3 weeks after we had proper people in the boardroom.
Not only that,he threw his hand in during a meeting to talk about transfers.
IMWT
Lloydaldo11
Player Valuation: £6m
I think the key thing is that a decent “coach” will get results out of this team no matter how bad they are as individual players. Tactics count for a lot and are a leveller.
Moyes is the right man at the right time for us. Growing and inspiring is for tomorrow, safety and points on the board is the priority and why I was happy with him rather than some “exciting” coach that the fanboys would get all over
MaximusEvertonius
Player Valuation: £15m
It’s tough finding consensus in a fan base, particularly when it comes to manager. Bringing back Moyes showed split results on how people felt about the decision.
But here’s the telling thing to me. We had a poll asking who our next manager should be. Listed all these awesome managers across Europe, all ages. Very little agreement in here. I’m convinced whoever TFG bring in after Moyes will only excite about 10-15% of the fans. The rest will gripe. Others will be skeptical.
I can’t think of any one manager, available or not, all of us would agree on. Didn’t always support Dyche’s tactics but I supported him because he managed Everton. And now I feel the same about Moyes.
But here’s the telling thing to me. We had a poll asking who our next manager should be. Listed all these awesome managers across Europe, all ages. Very little agreement in here. I’m convinced whoever TFG bring in after Moyes will only excite about 10-15% of the fans. The rest will gripe. Others will be skeptical.
I can’t think of any one manager, available or not, all of us would agree on. Didn’t always support Dyche’s tactics but I supported him because he managed Everton. And now I feel the same about Moyes.
Not sure this is correct. A lot of people thought that a competent manager would get results. Moyes is a good manager and is doing what I expected him too
But I still wish we’d taken a chance on a progressive young manager.
NeilMorepies
Player Valuation: £35m
Fly free sweet Prince.
How I miss thy dulcet tones.
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