The Pienaar situation

[Goat]

Ready made excuse that though which i can't prove or disprove either way.

Sure it might be true, look at the long list of young players we've had who have left and done nothing.

But look at the list of good youngsters we've had big expectations for, how many got runs in the first team, how many got a chance? How many could of took that chance and made the step up?

How many were worse that Anichebe? How many of our youngsters now could of been used in place of Mcfadden?

You said it yourself, how many young players leave Everton and go on to better things, the lower Leagues are full of up and coming Everton youngsters.

As much as you think, hes not holding back Messi.

Clearly the Barkley and Velios case is a strange 1 and you wont get a disagreement from me that they should be playing or at least on the bench. But I personally dont see anybody else not getting games who should be.

It hurts you to admit, but Moyes kinda knows what hes doing.

Oh and McFadden, not sure, he clearly has pictures of Moyes sucking off Neville.

 

[toffeejack]

at least we're not villa ffs

 

[Seamus Colemole]

You said it yourself, how many young players leave Everton and go on to better things, the lower Leagues are full of up and coming Everton youngsters.

As much as you think, hes not holding back Messi.

Clearly the Barkley and Velios case is a strange 1 and you wont get a disagreement from me that they should be playing or at least on the bench. But I personally dont see anybody else not getting games who should be.

It hurts you to admit, but Moyes kinda knows what hes doing.

Oh and McFadden, not sure, he clearly has pictures of Moyes sucking off Neville.

But those players who have left didn't get a chance did they, how many got any game time in the first team? Sure they might be **** but they can't be that **** if they were in our reserves.

Every club has a youth/reserves team, so how many of ours got a chance by being given a run in the first team?

Hardly any in Moyes 10 years, pretty much every young player who has played done so becasue of injuries to first teamers.

Not saying Moyes is wrong in these situations, he does know more than me but i can't go along with the line that he gives youth a chance when he clearly doesn't.

Duffy played very well when he came in due to injuries, was dropped as soon as an experienced defender became fit. Tony Hibbert. He could of been used while we are rotating, he could of been used at the rs. He wasn't.

Baxter was reserve player of the season. How many games has he had in the first team?

We had no decent striker or right winger for ages, how many youngsters got a decent chance in those positions?

Simply put : Moyes will play a regular experienced member of the squad at every given opportunity in place of a less experienced youngster unless he has no other choice.

And then when on the rare occasion he does play a youngster he can't wait to take them out the team.

Don't get me wrong, its not a huge criticism of him but its clearly not true that he gives youth a chance.

 

[kenada_blue]

Source ?

Actually I heard Chelsea offered him More money than Spurs.

Clearly I dont have a source, just something I read.

He basically wanted the same money as Arteta, we said no, so as any normal person would, he got a move that suited him more.

For whatever reason it didnt work out and since hes been back hes played out of his skin to get back in the fans good books.

I have no ill feelings to Pienaar and pray that we can retain him at the end of the Season.

Chelsea used the "we're chelsea, take what we give ya". Ancellotti was saying a deal was close...then he went to spurs.

 

[kenada_blue]

got a feeling rodwell could be used to get pienaar here on a permanant deal

Would be one of the worst deals in the history of the prem for me

 

[Goat]

And it comes back to what I said mate, if they are good enough, they play.

Im just gonna take Duffy as an example, hes a good prospect, he has lots of potential, but hes not better than Johnny, Distin or Jags, so he rightfully was "dropped" for them.

I personally dont rate Baxter and he wont make it at Everton.

Jack Rodwell, Wayne Rooney are 2 names I can think of, they have both come into the side and stayed in the side.

As said, the lower Leagues are full of Premiership Youth players, its not just Everton, look around the Premiership, how many "youth" players litter the squads, Arsenal clearly stand out, but they are mostly bought players, they arent really 12 Year olds that come thru, well some are, but thats the route Wenger has taken, they could afford to take this route.

We all wanna see young lads come thru, its great to see a young player making an impact and it would be great to see the next "Rooney", but maybe he isnt there.

 

[thebluefox]

Would be one of the worst deals in the history of the prem for me

in what way ken

 

[Abraders]

I just want to throw it out there, my cousin works for Everton as a youth coach. I was speaking to him a few weeks ago and I was saying how Vellios deserves more time on the pitch, and whilst he agreed he probably should he also described him as 'alright'.

He might not be what everyone thinks he is.

 

[Goat]

in what way ken

In the fact we are "trading" a young un for an old un.

I suppose.

 

[toffeejack]

In the fact we are "trading" a young un for an old un.

I suppose.

and rodwell is suppose to be rated at around £20 mill and we should only be paying £3 mill tops for pienaar, hes worth more obvs, only because we made him that way though, anything more and tell spurs to feck off, tired of getting pissed on by them

 

[formerly manx toffee]

I just want to throw it out there, my cousin works for Everton as a youth coach. I was speaking to him a few weeks ago and I was saying how Vellios deserves more time on the pitch, and whilst he agreed he probably should he also described him as 'alright'.

He might not be what everyone thinks he is.

Wow...Sheedy is your cousin ?

 

[toffeejack]

And it comes back to what I said mate, if they are good enough, they play.

Im just gonna take Duffy as an example, hes a good prospect, he has lots of potential, but hes not better than Johnny, Distin or Jags, so he rightfully was "dropped" for them.

I personally dont rate Baxter and he wont make it at Everton.

Jack Rodwell, Wayne Rooney are 2 names I can think of, they have both come into the side and stayed in the side.

As said, the lower Leagues are full of Premiership Youth players, its not just Everton, look around the Premiership, how many "youth" players litter the squads, Arsenal clearly stand out, but they are mostly bought players, they arent really 12 Year olds that come thru, well some are, but thats the route Wenger has taken, they could afford to take this route.

We all wanna see young lads come thru, its great to see a young player making an impact and it would be great to see the next "Rooney", but maybe he isnt there.

agreed, we have 3 quality CB's and at least we know we can depend on duffy for the future but he needs to be bred slowly, centre backs develop later than strikers e.g. Baxter isnt good enough for me, as i dont believe mcaleny will be. But yeah in 10 years only 2 players have really been given a chance not thrust upon them by injuries and they've both been quoted as £25million stars

 

[thebluefox]

In the fact we are "trading" a young un for an old un.

I suppose.

rodwell will not make it at everton under moyes mate

 

[DualityNSNO]

Don't believe either of them are good enough, or will ever be good enough...The benchmark has already been set for me and that is Jelavic - he's ace...reminds me of a young Berbatov.

Have you seen a young Berbatov?
[video=youtube;YQSQwrLnFxA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSQwrLnFxA[/video]

 

[Goat]

rodwell will not make it at everton under moyes mate

On this point we will have to disagree.

His progress is being "blocked" by Fellaini, who lets face it, is approaching World Class, IMO clearly.

And Gibson is certainly earning his place.

Rodwell needs games, injury and the 2 players above are stopping this, his progress is defo getting affected tho, whether thats Moyes fault, I would say no.