2024/25 David Moyes

JLW said:
Moyes is here now and there’s nothing we can do about.

I’m disappointed because it doesn’t give me the hope I was expecting from the new owners.

Everyone saying it’s 2.5 years to lay foundations for the club, then what? Wait another 2 years for us to get the right man that’s 5 more years of investing time money and emotions.

I know Newcastle and Villa had a better starting position than us but the correct managerial appointment got them in the CL within 18 months. I feel with Moyes we’re just going to exist like we have been for decades.

Quite frankly it’s boring the crsp out of me now, his football style hardly gets you off your seat neither.
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Moshiri would have made this same exact type of appointment which says it all to me. They have every right now that they own the club. I do think it's lazy and he wouldn't be considered if he hadn't managed us in the past. Bring a blue home and all that.
 

I think that there's a spectrum of opinions here which are mostly valid.

I think it's perfectly fair to think this is a a sensible appointment for the situation for the situation we find ourselves in and I think it's equally fair to think it's underwhelming as we should be looking for a progressive coach to replace Dyche.

I think it's it's understandable to think we shouldn't be going back. I think it's fair to think we should be overlooking someone with baggage as far as a lot of fans are concerned.

I'm in the middle because I think everyone has got a valid argument here.

I just want the best for Everton

I can see good arguments in both the pro and anti Moyes camp and tbqh I can't come down properly on either side because we've ended up in a situation where you can make a coherent argument on either side of the debate.

It's sad but it is what it is and we have to come together somehow
 

jceverton said:
Literally before your eyes! Everton - took him 4 years to stabilize us. Took him 4 years to build West Ham's team. Failed at Utd, Sociedad & Sunderland as he didn't get his normal 3-4 years. Took the Michael by talking to Utd and agreeing his contract whilst Everton manager then denied doing it. As for balance you seem to want a whitewash!
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It’s provable with facts from reality that you’re the one attempting to mislead.

Moyes was appointed in March 2002 with nine games left in the season. I don’t consider that a full year. If you’re counting it as a full year (which you seem to be) I think that’s an attempt to mislead.

In his first full year we finished seventh.

Then the bad second year where we were down to 17th.

Then the third full year we finished fourth.

If you would be upset with Everton going from 17th place trophies to finishing sixth, 17th and then fourth then I don’t know what to say. Then we were “stable” after that with essentially a zero net spend every year. Every single manger we have had since him has FAILED to stabilize us over a multi year period and most of them got to spend more money. All failures to stabilize. Also most managers of most clubs outside the top 7 have also failed.

So how can it be so crazy to bring him back when we have 100% failures to achieve stability since he left?

windymiller said:
It's one of a million reasons. He's a loser with a loser mentality. He'll be talking us down within the month.
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Honestly we have a lot of clowns here who have no accountability for anything they ever say. You want to talk about a loser mentality? People on this board who have been wrong about Moyes a thousand times and are still trying to convince us all. Big time loser energy. Moyes has won. I can’t think of a single post from any of them that was a winner.

People in this thread think he’ll have us relegated. Fine. But if that does not happen, don’t just move the goalposts as you’ve been doing for decades now. If you think he’s getting us relegated then let’s put some money down. You utter clowns have been wrong about every single manager we’ve ever had since Moyes. It’s insufferable. So at least let me make some cash off your collective ignorance. DM me. Let’s bet. Put your money where your mouth is. If you think he’s getting us relegated let’s bet on that. I don’t think you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about and I’m willing to bet thousands you are wrong. Let’s go. Any of you it doesn’t have to just be this clown. Any of you clowns who said we’d be better off after Moyes. Said we’d be better off after Martinez. Said the mercenary would stay. Defended the kopite. All because you won’t admit you are wrong. So let’s bet! No moving goalposts — you think he’s taking us down let’s put some cash on the line.
 
Osamabindiesel said:
People keep bringing up a progressive manager- that isn't the point. You want a winning manager that can actually elevate the team and get us closer to competing. Moise has proven he is average. He is okay. He has had his highs and lows but the odds are you won't progress as a club with him at the helm. You don't have to be progressive- just decent in understanding the game. Not all great managers are that easy on the eye or super progressive.

People keep complaining about our players. Sure we have some areas that need improvement. That is also ignoring that we have decent talent at the club already and some of those players were either injured or not getting a look under Dyche. If Branthwaite stays and we get some decent talent in during the summer (or we sell Branners and reinvest it wisely) this is a whole new ballgame. We can turn it over quickly like other clubs have done. It is possible in this league.

We are stuck with Moyes for two years. Either he figures it out immediately or we stay the same and don't really progress as a club which is more likely. I assume the latter is more likely and he is just here to bring the infamous "stability." It's over. He's here. I'm over it. Good luck Moisey.
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I get the point and agree we want to progress and compete but we aren't even midtable right now Moyes has progressed teams to that and beyond eventually in the case of West Ham and us. No we aren't going to make a Newcastle or Villa leap under him(not just because of him as a coach but our squad is not at that level and we haven't invested enough in recent years in it, we have had to sell most players with cutting edge and quality) but he could certainly do better than Dyche because Moyes for however much he cuts his cloth and can be dour, he does coach and can and has improved players.
 
noshotontarget said:
Well said. Listening to talk sport and some callers especially one slagging moves for not winning trophies in first spell! 5 mill a year to spend relayed by bill as "quote by moyes" doesn't get u much. Even back then. We will see but still think and really hope improves us.
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He was happy to go along with the charade though. He'd never put pressure on Bill to stump up some extra funds for players.

Of course there's still the FFP situation but the poor mouth woe is me excuses, just won't wash with this regime i think.
 

You see a lot of people calling for a young progressive coach but not many people naming who they want. This mythical figure would be lovely but we've got Moyes and that's that. Goodison will get behind the team now, going to the game won't be such a chore and our owners have some time to assess the direction the club is going in. He's far from an inspiring appointment but I expect him to pick up a few wins as opposed to the previous incumbent thinking we can 0-0 our way to survival.
 
SJB said:
You see a lot of people calling for a young progressive coach but not many people naming who they want. This mythical figure would be lovely but we've got Moyes and that's that. Goodison will get behind the team now, going to the game won't be such a chore and our owners have some time to assess the direction the club is going in. He's far from an inspiring appointment but I expect him to pick up a few wins as opposed to the previous incumbent thinking we can 0-0 our way to survival.
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Yakubu? Seems to be aging backwards...
 
njligernj said:
It’s provable with facts from reality that you’re the one attempting to mislead.

Moyes was appointed in March 2002 with nine games left in the season. I don’t consider that a full year. If you’re counting it as a full year (which you seem to be) I think that’s an attempt to mislead.

In his first full year we finished seventh.

Then the bad second year where we were down to 17th.

Then the third full year we finished fourth.

If you would be upset with Everton going from 17th place trophies to finishing sixth, 17th and then fourth then I don’t know what to say. Then we were “stable” after that with essentially a zero net spend every year. Every single manger we have had since him has FAILED to stabilize us over a multi year period and most of them got to spend more money. All failures to stabilize. Also most managers of most clubs outside the top 7 have also failed.

So how can it be so crazy to bring him back when we have 100% failures to achieve stability since he left?



Honestly we have a lot of clowns here who have no accountability for anything they ever say. You want to talk about a loser mentality? People on this board who have been wrong about Moyes a thousand times and are still trying to convince us all. Big time loser energy. Moyes has won. I can’t think of a single post from any of them that was a winner.

People in this thread think he’ll have us relegated. Fine. But if that does not happen, don’t just move the goalposts as you’ve been doing for decades now. If you think he’s getting us relegated then let’s put some money down. You utter clowns have been wrong about every single manager we’ve ever had since Moyes. It’s insufferable. So at least let me make some cash off your collective ignorance. DM me. Let’s bet. Put your money where your mouth is. If you think he’s getting us relegated let’s bet on that. I don’t think you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about and I’m willing to bet thousands you are wrong. Let’s go. Any of you it doesn’t have to just be this clown. Any of you clowns who said we’d be better off after Moyes. Said we’d be better off after Martinez. Said the mercenary would stay. Defended the kopite. All because you won’t admit you are wrong. So let’s bet! No moving goalposts — you think he’s taking us down let’s put some cash on the line.
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Ha ha, what a tantrum. Are you a family member or something.

He'll probably keep us up, then what. Nothing, that's what, because that's his specialty. As for all that guff about the other losers we've recruited as managers, you're right, they were rubbish too. I was hoping for better this time. New owners, new stadium, new hope. Nope, same old rubbish. My goalposts are where they've always been, the owners, the coaches, the players at this club shouldn't want to make up the numbers, they should want to win. Will we always do it? Of course not, but openly stating that we can't, that we shouldn't aspire to it is pathetic.

You're happy with just existing, just surviving in this league. That's the limits to your ambitions. I envy you, life must be pretty great, if you never aim for success you're never unhappy when you don't get any. I'm not happy with that, which is why I'm not happy with perennial loser David Moyes, and why supporting Everton makes me miserable. Stick that up your DMs!
 
SJB said:
Dangerous notion on this forum, I'm sure some of the members would love a little Nigerian boy to post about.
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I'm sorry I've no idea, I thought a little quip about age and a former player would be funny in light of Moyes getting back in. As it was his quip.

Who's a bit keen on youthful players like?
 

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