New manager

[Bluewolf]

Ok, I see u are from Berlin, Hertha or Union supporter? He did impressive work there, but probably missing development of the playstyle and bad transfers like Gosens and Bonucci cost him the success. But I know they were top with long balls, had low possession, 2nd balls won, set pieces very good, very good defense.

Also, they outperformed every stat in the offensive area.

100% not dycheball then

 

[barneygumble]

Did we? I didn't even knew he played golf. What a weird thing for someone to get upset about

He'd often be on the golf course and leave training to Erwin.

I remember everyone being fuming at the time.

Our fans are volatile, just need someone who isn't going to make a minor error and cause up roar.

 

[Delargeinho]

100% not dycheball then

Maybe yeah, hoofball, but effectively used.

 

[Bluewolf]

Rio was on some podcast few weeks back talking about moyes on his first few days at utd
Moyes turned round to rio and said wow this is a big club rio new from that moment the job was to big for moyes

Imagine, moyes turning round to Rio like a starry eyed child and saying that.

Thats the type of wham kenwright would come out with

 

[barneygumble]

Hütter just extended at Monaco.

Fischer got a promoted team into Europe and CL with Dycheball.

I'm aware, he's the manager we should have got him when we sacked Benitez, let alone Lampard.

Just have doubts over Fischer. Absolutely zero doubts over his achievements at Union, but the bundesliga isn't anywhere near as technical as the PL. I guess I'd take a gamble, but Just have reservations.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I'm not missing the point at all, how many times have we bought big club cast offs just because of who they played for without actually assessing if they fit into the team. It all comes down to recruitment and ours is rubbish so we always take the easy option and its made ten times worse when (atm) you have a guy like Dyche who clearly does minimal coaching/development work with players.

You're still missing the point. People have a bias for unknown quantities. They don't assess on the basis of actual information. They prefer to role the dice in hope for a 6 rather than settling on a 4. Moyes might very well be the best option available in our situation.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Imagine, moyes turning round to Rio like a starry eyed child and saying that.

Thats the type of wham kenwright would come out with

Whatever he said to Rio would be wrong/misinterpreted. Rio is just that type of guy.

 

[Bluewolf]

Maybe yeah, hoofball, but effectively used.

Good Defensive football can be effective and positive attacking periods to it.

Unfortunately we have the bad kind of defensive football here

 

[Delargeinho]

I'm aware, he's the manager we should have got him when we sacked Benitez, let alone Lampard.

Just have doubts over Fischer. Absolutely zero doubts over his achievements at Union, but the bundesliga isn't anywhere near as technical as the PL. I guess I'd take a gamble, but Just have reservations.

He's a very good manager for clubs that have not really big expectations to look very beautiful, and one that can achieve a lot with a low budget and a group of no names, to form a good group out of players. Probably right now, he would be a very good candidate till summer. Also, he isn't one that plays a lot of youngsters.

His overall career was a success. 3 titles with Basel, haven't won any since he left apart from a cup, got one of the lowest budget teams in Switzerland into Europe. But PL is a big step.

He had to leave Basel despite having a new records in points won and goals scored, because fans didn't feel entertained.

 

[Delargeinho]

Good Defensive football can be effective and positive attacking periods to it.

Unfortunately we have the bad kind of defensive football here

See Forest, I wouldn't be entertained by Forest's football as much as by Arsenal's or Liverpool's, but surely acknowledge that they do very great for a club with their possiblilites and find a very good way to be effective.

 

[Drico]

My brother used to say our small club mentality started when we sold Alan Ball. Although we were still comfortably one of the biggest and wealthiest clubs in the league then, it was as if that started the process of being resigned to playing second fiddle to our neighbours. The mid 80s were just an anomaly, a fluke, or a final hurrah for a once proud institution, that still had some stock left in it... The premier era exposed the pretence, as the false dawns and managed decline continued, whilst others built for the future. We got left behind. Essentially, we got carpet-bagged by a complete fraud who was extremely fortunate to get a manager who could build a team out of the proceeds of having to sell the best player of his generation, working to a zero net budget for a decade. Even a dyed-in-the-wool Evertonian preferred to leave Everton..... the definition of when small club "mentality" met small club "reality" head on. Imagine that happening at any point before the 70s?

We dreamt small and achieved small..... with some aplomb. Hopefully it isn't too late and things can start to change soon.... but we have to stay in this league first!

Superbly put.

Blue Bill dreamed a dream...a very small, modest, and self-serving, dream. And the seals clapped him on the jumbotron to display their small-minded, narrow, unambitious horizons.

Once he got away with the sale of Rooney, he was impervious and continued decline inevitable, even if he found a handbrake in Moyes who, being a good Kenwright man, accentuated the modesty, pluckiness, and small cloob mentality referred to - not entirely erroneously, however rudely - by a subsequent Everton manager from across the park.

We have behaved like minnows for over 35 years now. Worse, the residue of a glorious past has prevented us from behaving like minnows who push their full weight. We are hamstrung by memories of what we could be whilst refusing to accept what we truly are in the absence of powerful and competent ownership. Hence, we tended to spend more than our new peers because we were, in the mirror looking back at us, a "big club". Over time, this diminished our ability to compete even against the Brightons, West Hams, Bournemouths, Fulhams, and Brentfords.

We need a complete and utter purge.

 

[Simon Buttle]

You're still missing the point. People have a bias for unknown quantities. They don't assess on the basis of actual information. They prefer to role the dice in hope for a 6 rather than settling on a 4. Moyes might very well be the best option available in our situation.

I know what you are trying to say I just don't agree with it.

 

[Bryan+]

My brother used to say our small club mentality started when we sold Alan Ball. Although we were still comfortably one of the biggest and wealthiest clubs in the league then, it was as if that started the process of being resigned to playing second fiddle to our neighbours. The mid 80s were just an anomaly, a fluke, or a final hurrah for a once proud institution, that still had some stock left in it... The premier era exposed the pretence, as the false dawns and managed decline continued, whilst others built for the future. We got left behind. Essentially, we got carpet-bagged by a complete fraud who was extremely fortunate to get a manager who could build a team out of the proceeds of having to sell the best player of his generation, working to a zero net budget for a decade. Even a dyed-in-the-wool Evertonian preferred to leave Everton..... the definition of when small club "mentality" met small club "reality" head on. Imagine that happening at any point before the 70s?

We dreamt small and achieved small..... with some aplomb. Hopefully it isn't too late and things can start to change soon.... but we have to stay in this league first!

I remember growing up in the 80s all I knew was the RS and us winning the lot. Street parties every single year for a cup final or a league title for either us or them lot - as a family, you always had a party at the end of the season to look forward for to or dread.

I don’t agree it started with Bally, I’d say the acceptance of the Heysel ban and Kendall leaving together with the PL starting in 92 - all in a short period of time ~5/6 years ruined the strategy for the club.

if say the new stadium offers us the best possibility of success since the 80s, maybe in 10/15 years once the money starts to cover the losses we have incurred for so long - that’s all on Kenwright. Just like soft lad is doing to UTD, never ever let a fan run a footy club.

 

[barneygumble]

He's a very good manager for clubs that have not really big expectations to look very beautiful, and one that can achieve a lot with a low budget and a group of no names, to form a good group out of players. Probably right now, he would be a very good candidate till summer. Also, he isn't one that plays a lot of youngsters.

His overall career was a success. 3 titles with Basel, haven't won any since he left apart from a cup, got one of the lowest budget teams in Switzerland into Europe. But PL is a big step.

He had to leave Basel despite having a new records in points won and goals scored, because fans didn't feel entertained.

We do have don't we?

Our fans want us to play nice football and win (however unrealistic).

I just think our fans having suffered through Dyche, would be quickly on his case if it wasn't going well.
I'd take a gamble if he wanted the job, but just somewhat weary.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I know what you are trying to say I just don't agree with it.

If you understood you would agree. I’m not saying that a foreign manager or player isn’t often the best option. I’m just saying that because something is unknown it doesn’t necessarily mean it is better than a known option. People on here (including myself) would have preferred Beto (unknown) over Chris Wood (known but previously thought to be limited) when we signed him. It’s just a form of bias that is important to acknowledge when making a decision.