2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Marius57]

Err, could look at us being 15th in the actual league having not got a point in the first four games.



While we are on the subject… MikeH72 I believe you asked very nicely to be kept up to date on the form table last time it was mentioned.

1w
2d
And a match postponed.

Puts us 9th in the form table during this period with a game in hand.
Hopefully that’s provided you with some Christmas cheer.


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Telling me to look at the whole league while then proceeding to cherry pick 3 games

Trolling at its finest.

 

[Singe]

Telling me to look at the whole league while then proceeding to cherry pick 3 games

Trolling at its finest.

Thought it was a decent post myself. At least he posts substance.

 

[twoblue]

Telling me to look at the whole league while then proceeding to cherry pick 3 games

Trolling at its finest.

Beginning to think you can barely read.
Certainly incapable of defending your position on things.
But yeah, call me a troll

 

[Blue peter]

The only form table that truly matters is the league position for the season. Other than that recent form can be recognised, but other than that it’s pointless

 

[ForeverEverton]

Err, could look at us being 15th in the actual league having not got a point in the first four games.



While we are on the subject… MikeH72 I believe you asked very nicely to be kept up to date on the form table last time it was mentioned.

1w
2d
And a match postponed.

Puts us 9th in the form table during this period with a game in hand.
Hopefully that’s provided you with some Christmas cheer.


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Unfortunately 3 wins this season after 16 games, it has been said of Dyche that he can turn defeats in to draws (Arsenal/Chelsea) but he also turns wins in to draws or even defeats.

I`ve seen a few of the arguments saying Dyche needs to spend to get out of this position whilst also lambasting managers like Mourinho calling him a cheque book manager.

Some also seem to have very short memories and choosing recency bias from the last 3 games or so. Wolves was a very god result and performance and credit where it was due, Wolves weren`t up to much but you can only beat what is in front of you and we did that convincingly but the draws v Arsenal and Chelsea although we ultimately got the point were the same approach we`ve seen for the majority of Dyche time at Everton and that is a League 2 side going to a PL side in a cup game.

When evaluating this manager you have to take in to account that :-

- He has not improved any players, in fact some seem to have regressed
- Plays his favourites when available irrespective of form and other available players
- We spend on average a 3rd of the game with the ball and when in possession we don`t look like we have been coached in an attacking sense, no patterns of play.
- Does not give youngsters the chance to play or develop with game time, Harrison Armstrong is only getting bits and pieces and if that continues he will be the next victim of this football club like Tom Davies
- Patterson and O`Brien, 4-0 up against Wolves, much like the point above, why are we not giving these lads game time. I think Dyche has made his mind up and refusing to play them. Why did he sanction the O`Brien signing?
- 3 wins in 16 this season, 8 wins in the last 34 is simply not good enough, he isn`t getting the best from this squad and I`m of the opinion he is the sole person holding us back and keeping us in these perpetual relegation fights which only benefit him.

If TFG have any ambition whatsoever this clown needs to be removed, we can`t go though January with him able to veto players Thelwell wants to bring in and bringing in his type of player, that is if he plays them of course!

I hope everyone had a good Xmas....

 

[PhilM]

It's literally the managers job to improve the players though, either via coaching or tactics. Managers sometimes just have to work with what they have and get the best out of them squeezing every last drop both physically and tactically. They can't just expect too spend their way out of trouble every time there is a transfer window open. Bar a few stalwarts like Pickford, Coleman, Keane and DCL the team has changed quite a bit in recent years yet the same excuses for the same poor managers keep getting made imo. None of these players are winning a CL anytime soon but they are nowhere as bad as some of our fans like to make out, not even close to it.

You only need to look at the likes of Bournemouth and Forest, to see how a manager can (re)vitalise a team, or how Emery has pushed Villa on long-term.

In fact, there are many examples, and apart from being able to grind out clean sheets, it's hard to argue that Dyche has improved our football in any other metrics.

This squad should not be where it is, and that's down to the coaching staff.

 

[MikeH72]

Err, could look at us being 15th in the actual league having not got a point in the first four games.



While we are on the subject… MikeH72 I believe you asked very nicely to be kept up to date on the form table last time it was mentioned.

1w
2d
And a match postponed.

Puts us 9th in the form table during this period with a game in hand.
Hopefully that’s provided you with some Christmas cheer.


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I’m sorry mate, why are you doing the last 3 games all of a sudden? Why don’t you do the last 10 games, because that’s what you used last time? It’s not because you’re cherry picking different numbers of fixtures each time to make us look better is it? Please use a consistent sample size, and I’ll be sure to be back on here later today asking you to update your form table accordingly.

 

[blueboy72]

I think the game plan tonight will tells us a lot about how tactically sound Dyche is.

Watched every city game during their poor form and a common theme involves conceding most of their goals from counter attack, unable to handle pressing like they used to, poor at defending set pieces. Surely a game plan is not beyond Dyche?

Problem is, it will probably be 90% to 10% possession first 20 mins

 

[twoblue]

Unfortunately 3 wins this season after 16 games, it has been said of Dyche that he can turn defeats in to draws (Arsenal/Chelsea) but he also turns wins in to draws or even defeats.

I`ve seen a few of the arguments saying Dyche needs to spend to get out of this position whilst also lambasting managers like Mourinho calling him a cheque book manager.

Some also seem to have very short memories and choosing recency bias from the last 3 games or so. Wolves was a very god result and performance and credit where it was due, Wolves weren`t up to much but you can only beat what is in front of you and we did that convincingly but the draws v Arsenal and Chelsea although we ultimately got the point were the same approach we`ve seen for the majority of Dyche time at Everton and that is a League 2 side going to a PL side in a cup game.

When evaluating this manager you have to take in to account that :-

- He has not improved any players, in fact some seem to have regressed
- Plays his favourites when available irrespective of form and other available players
- We spend on average a 3rd of the game with the ball and when in possession we don`t look like we have been coached in an attacking sense, no patterns of play.
- Does not give youngsters the chance to play or develop with game time, Harrison Armstrong is only getting bits and pieces and if that continues he will be the next victim of this football club like Tom Davies
- Patterson and O`Brien, 4-0 up against Wolves, much like the point above, why are we not giving these lads game time. I think Dyche has made his mind up and refusing to play them. Why did he sanction the O`Brien signing?
- 3 wins in 16 this season, 8 wins in the last 34 is simply not good enough, he isn`t getting the best from this squad and I`m of the opinion he is the sole person holding us back and keeping us in these perpetual relegation fights which only benefit him.

If TFG have any ambition whatsoever this clown needs to be removed, we can`t go though December with him able to veto players Thelwell wants to bring in and bringing in his type of player, that is if he plays them of course!

I hope everyone had a good Xmas....

Reasoned argument.
I get we aren’t good to watch, I also get we draw to many games.
I am also ok with us having a new manager if the money comes in.
I just think we are team with no match winners, no goal scorers and it’s been like this for years. Absent ownership. No investment. It’s also a squad with players running contracts down.
This is recipe for disaster.
Yet despite this Dyche has got a team still committed and playing for him.
Think he deserves credit for keeping this squad in The league.

I can’t understand that people refuse to give Dyche any credit or accept that he has had a terrible hand to play.

 

[Zatara]

Zat, this is big boy football not one of your game saves where you get to pretend we are some sort of poor mans Aletico Madrid.

What I realise is that there are 3 or 4 posters who, when pulled up on their posts decide to accuse me of using computer games.

Using Atletico Madrid (from a few years ago) is a very, very good example and comparison to Everton football club.

I can only assume at this point that the entirity of your football knowledge is from a computer game. This must be why you are blinded to the brilliant and effective tactics in the past three games.

Hopefully you got an upgraded game from santa claus.

 

[Marius57]

Thought it was a decent post myself. At least he posts substance.

His substance is cherry picking games 3 games.
My post was based off a post some msm shared, which has more substance to it than cherrypicking 3 games.

 

[twoblue]

I’m sorry mate, why are you doing the last 3 games all of a sudden? Why don’t you do the last 10 games, because that’s what you used last time? It’s not because you’re cherry picking different numbers of fixtures each time to make us look better is it? Please use a consistent sample size, and I’ll be sure to be back on here later today asking you to update your form table accordingly.

Merry Christmas Mike… hopefully it was a good one… but honestly sometimes you give off the vibe that you would rather Dyche was losing games so you could be right.
Can you be more specific with you data requests next time?

Post in thread 'Sean Dyche'
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/sean-dyche.120149/post-11712214

 

[Zatara]

His substance is cherry picking games 3 games.
My post was based off a post some msm shared, which has more substance to it than cherrypicking 3 games.

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So we kept a clean sheet against the 1st & 4th sides and beat the 10th?

Thats impressive for any team in the league.

 

[twoblue]

You only need to look at the likes of Bournemouth and Forest, to see how a manager can (re)vitalise a team, or how Emery has pushed Villa on long-term.

In fact, there are many examples, and apart from being able to grind out clean sheets, it's hard to argue that Dyche has improved our football in any other metrics.

This squad should not be where it is, and that's down to the coaching staff.

Yes they have had good new manager but it naive to recognise that villa and forest have been amongst the biggest spenders over a number of seasons.

 

[Saint Domingo]

You only need to look at the likes of Bournemouth and Forest, to see how a manager can (re)vitalise a team, or how Emery has pushed Villa on long-term.

In fact, there are many examples, and apart from being able to grind out clean sheets, it's hard to argue that Dyche has improved our football in any other metrics.

This squad should not be where it is, and that's down to the coaching staff.

You can look at their transfer expenditures as well in the same period. Yes the manager is one part of the equation but it’s not the only one which is some people’s point on here.

Forest and Bournemouth didn’t magically progress in a vacuum. They spent 100s of millions net in the same period we’re bringing in money.