2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[twoblue]

I thought we were absolutely rubbish in the second half of his full season. My opinion hasn’t changed on that. I’ve in fact just vaulted myself saying that I fully supported Ancelotti binning off the entire squad that summer and starting again, and that I in fact didn’t want a change of manager. But obviously vaulting that post wouldn’t do your weird agenda any favours in the quest to defend Sean Dyche to the hilt at all costs.

Hands up, I actually agree with you about ancelottis second half of the season.
He basically finished where that squad should have finished. We badly tapered off after a good start and felt like he just took his football off the gas.

 

[Deleted member 50501]

Hands up, I actually agree with you about ancelottis second half of the season.
He basically finished where that squad should have finished. We badly tapered off after a good start and felt like he just took his football off the gas.

Its true that we were bad in the second half of that season. It's not something people need to hold their hands up for, as it's not really an opinion. However, to say the manager had something to do with it and to question his ability is a different thing

 

[John from Bootle]

Guys I’m tight for time but if someone can read this thread and link me some examples I’m sure the community would appreciate them.

God speed.

@ForeverEverton was a massive critic, constantly on his case. As the following pic recently posted by @Jimishorts shows.

The funny thing is, I stopped posting for a while after Carlo, and knowing I've never seen him back a single manager in the many, many years I've been reading his posts (not voluntarily might I add, if you get me) I was unsurprised upon my return to posting to see that he was again hounding another manager. So, with the benefit of being a fairly low key poster at that time, I asked him who the last manager he didn't want punted was. His answer? Carlo Ancelotti.

After another hiatus, I was gobsmacked to read that he thought those Spanish minnows Real Madrid would really, really struggle to replace such a top, top manager.

Make of all that what you will...

 

[MikeH72]

Its true that we were bad in the second half of that season. It's not something people need to hold their hands up for, as it's not really an opinion. However, to say the manager had something to do with it and to question his ability is a different thing

I mean, the fact that you seemingly think a manager has nothing to do with how his team performs makes your defence of Sean Dyche make a lot more sense.

 

[Lanolin]

Okay @Marius57 (and maybe @blueboy72 and @COYBL25 as I guess your likes were a suggestion that you doubted what I was saying) I said I wouldn’t vault people who weren’t being arsey but he is now so as an example I give you these in absolutely no way contradictory and hypocritical posts.

In response to me saying that a point at West Ham this year wasn’t a bad result and in fact a point away had been an acceptable result for all my time supporting Everton…

Is that for real? How long have you supported the club just out of interest.

it doesnt really work like that. Or should i say shouldnt. The games should be dependent on the performance. If we get battered and nick a draw its a decent away point. And Vica Versa. We shouldnt be happy like last season taking a point at Bramall lane against a side who let in 105 goals lol
Im around 45 years going to Everton now and i dont ever really want that mindset. God knows i feel it esp right now under Dyche but i'll always fight it.

And the same person replying to a poster who said we should win at the exact same aforementioned bramall lane under ancelotti, when Sheffield united had 2 points in December, had lost 16 out of their last 18 games, and were playing an Everton side several million times better than this one…

‘I do wonder where this mind set comes from. I mean have they actualy watched Everton away for lets say oh the last 15-20 years. Our away results have always been patchy to say the least. We generally have to fight for points away no matter what ground. Games are winable but not easy.

I already have sheff utd down as a potential scrap. They may have 2 points but they havent been battered in many games. Turn up thinking we already have 3 points and there is a danger we could get turned over.’

I find that sort of rank hypocrisy quite interesting myself, but no doubt some people would call it waffle.

 

[Ruairi77]

Dyche has shown that he can organise a defense.
Everyone knows that.
What he can't do is change things when that plan slips up.
What worries me is his ability to come back from going behind.
Yes, we did well against Arsenal albeit playing like a league one side at the emirates in the FA cup.
But what else is he good at?

 

[Tommy Chong]

Hands up, I actually agree with you about ancelottis second half of the season.
He basically finished where that squad should have finished. We badly tapered off after a good start and felt like he just took his football off the gas.

Our form did drop off for the second half of his season, but I mean, there is a real simple and logical explanation for it.

It's clearly obvious that Real Madrid had come calling, lifted their skirt, flashed Carlo a little bit of skin, and tapped him up during in the January transfer window.

And after that, his head was turned, and he obviously wasn't giving us his full ability, as he already knew he was departing.

I mean, the fact that you seemingly think a manager has nothing to do with how his team performs makes your defence of Sean Dyche make a lot more sense.

Yeah, that's a strange opinion to have.

 

[Deleted member 50501]

I mean, the fact that you seemingly think a manager has nothing to do with how his team performs makes your defence of Sean Dyche make a lot more sense.

Mad that you thought arguably one of the best managers in the history of the game wasn't the best manager for 'where we are right now'

 

[Gilbert..]

Okay @Marius57 (and maybe @blueboy72 and @COYBL25 as I guess your likes were a suggestion that you doubted what I was saying) I said I wouldn’t vault people who weren’t being arsey but he is now so as an example I give you these in absolutely no way contradictory and hypocritical posts.

In response to me saying that a point at West Ham this year wasn’t a bad result and in fact a point away had been an acceptable result for all my time supporting Everton…



And the same person replying to a poster who said we should win at the exact same aforementioned bramall lane under ancelotti, when Sheffield united had 2 points in December, had lost 16 out of their last 18 games, and were playing an Everton side several million times better than this one…

‘I do wonder where this mind set comes from. I mean have they actualy watched Everton away for lets say oh the last 15-20 years. Our away results have always been patchy to say the least. We generally have to fight for points away no matter what ground. Games are winable but not easy.

I already have sheff utd down as a potential scrap. They may have 2 points but they havent been battered in many games. Turn up thinking we already have 3 points and there is a danger we could get turned over.’

I find that sort of rank hypocrisy quite interesting myself, but no doubt some people would call it waffle.

Lol

Were talking about the social media post and you've replied with all that.
I dont know wtf you're going on about

 

[MikeH72]

Mad that you thought arguably one of the best managers in the history of the game wasn't the best manager for 'where we are right now'

It seems Carlo himself also thought that seeing as he got off and then compared it to driving a Fiat Punto or something like that.

Anyway next time you try and give credit to Dyche for a result I’m gonna wheel out your “manager has nothing to do with it” quote. Making it too easy for me here Ste.

 

[Rita_Poon]

So, if SD gets us safe and clear early doors and into BMD PL status in tact, are we now all onside with a 12 month extension and the new owners to operate under to see if he can deliver a little more?

 

[Lanolin]

Lol

Were talking about the social media post and you've replied with all that.
I dont know wtf you're going on about

I wasn’t replying to you, I was quoting you. The context is all there but I can’t say I’m overly surprised that you don’t understand.

 

[MikeH72]

So, if SD gets us safe and clear early doors and into BMD PL status in tact, are we now all onside with a 12 month extension and the new owners to operate under to see if he can deliver a little more?

He had that exact opportunity this season and instead wanted to talk us back into a relegation battle to lower the bar of expectation for himself. He clearly doesn’t believe in his own ability to deliver more, so thanks and goodbye Sean

 

[Deleted member 50501]

It seems Carlo himself also thought that seeing as he got off and then compared it to driving a Fiat Punto or something like that.

Anyway next time you try and give credit to Dyche for a result I’m gonna wheel out your “manager has nothing to do with it” quote. Making it too easy for me here Ste.

Its hardly a 'manager has nothing to do with it' quote

Manager does have a good bit to do with it. Which is why I think (which I've stated many times) that Dyche was best for the job given the squad we have and focusing on the 'controllables', starting with organisation. We needed that, Dyche affected it.

From watching that run of games that were poor under carlo, you could see that scoring was an issue for us at home (and remains to be). I was too harsh on Lampard overall but the reason I found him difficult to accept (albeit the poor squad) was that the players didn't know what they were doing at the back, combine that with poor goalscoring and relegation awaits.

 

[SuperKev91]

It seems Carlo himself also thought that seeing as he got off and then compared it to driving a Fiat Punto or something like that.

Anyway next time you try and give credit to Dyche for a result I’m gonna wheel out your “manager has nothing to do with it” quote. Making it too easy for me here Ste.

Carlo was an infinitely better manager than we have now, had a far better squad of players and yet still finished mid table.

I think that’s vaguely the point behind all this.

TBH didn’t read any other posts just enjoying another day of the fume all round.