2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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Lanolin said:
Well that wasn't really what I was saying. My point was more that we could play without Doucoure and so theoretically play better football but it might not actually make us a better team. Believe me I've been slating Doucoure since a long time before it was trendy, I'm fully aware of his limitations, but I do accept that there's a possibility that his physicality and workrate might offer more to the team than somebody else with more technical ability in that role. I look forward to the day when we have a team of decent footballers who also have the physical attributes to do well at this level but I'm not sure that's something we have right now, so I do sort of see why we might try to play the way we do even if I don't like it.
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Thats fair enough. There's a few comments on here that i sometimes find amazing. The club needs to massively move away from Dyche. Ive read on here lately some posters turning their nose up at Brighton. Brighton did exactly what Everton need to do. Change the mentality of how they play. Replacing Hughton with Potter did exactly that. And recruiting players who look they havent just been introduced to a ball.
Clubs got to start somewhere. New owners and a new stadium might be it. And Dyche. God knows what he's doing behind the scenes with his approach to football.
Ive just got everything crossed anyone goes into the new stadium not in the championship. Im not as confident as some who think its not gona happen. I can see it being very close. We havent scored a goal away from home in nearly 2 months. If you looked at Dyche on saturday he's not fussed in the slightest it seems. Give him a 0-0 and he's as happy as a pig is sh!t.
Mentality. All wrong.
 
blueboy72 said:
Lindstrom did well
In Germany and cost 30mil. Harrison got 21 Goals and 16 assist in 3 years at Leeds. All Our 3 Right backs have played international football. 100’s and 100’s of managers would have kept us last season and this
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You can't blame Dyche for repeatedly passing the ball to the opposition players or having the touch of a feckin giraffe.
 

blueboy72 said:
Not every team will
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You're probably right. Personally, I wouldn't be happy with a manager if we were safely in mid table and he didn't respond to going 2-0 down by throwing caution to the wind. Might as well get beat 6-0 than not try. What difference is it gonna make? A heavy defeat might be the difference between finishing 10th or 12th, but then clawing something back might be the difference between finishing 10th or creeping in to a sneaky Europa or Conference spot depending on cup winners.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Some of the tactics are dictated by the players available, I know you don’t believe this but it’s a logical fact. It starts right from the back.

You can’t play a high line if your defenders have no pace. Ours don’t have any pace. Therefore unless you want to be horrifically exposed you have to sit the back 4 deeper.

Once you sit the back 4 deeper a gap opens up to midfield. Now the options are you have CBs who step out to close the gap (our have no pace so can’t), or you bring your midfielders closer to the back 4.

That leaves you with the problem of how do you press the opposition? You ideally need pace upfront to make sure you can close the space before a defender can play it into the gap that’s now opened behind. We have no pace upfront.

So we vary between all the players sitting deep or most sitting deep ans the striker being isolated which is what we’ve been seeing. We can’t even effectively play on the counter because again we have no pace.

Dyche therefore has in my opinion tried to plug what holes we can with us sitting deep, retaining shape, and the pace of Doucoure is used to try and close off passing angles in the gap behind Calvert Lewin. It’s not great to watch though and Doucoure is not good on the ball so what few attackers we have do break down. On the flip side it retains defensive solidity and it means there is still a threat from set pieces, long ball, counters, crosses, and open play in transition.

You can keep battering Dyche to do something different but the reality of this puzzle is not going to change with the same group of players. If anything it’s got more difficult with Onana leaving and Garner injured as we have even less pace in midfield to close distances.


So what do you want him to do?

Play a high line and leave us open to opposition teams turning Tarkowski Ashley Young and Mykolenko with a simple high ball? We did this v Brighton first day and we know what happened there.

We could leave the defence where it is and play Ndiaye at 10 push the midfield up and take the risk that Mangala and Gueye in an two will shut anything down before someone can pick a pass into their number 10 which would be straight onto our back 4 with all the time in the world to pick a pass or have a shot?

We could leave the wide players upfront to be more effective on counter attacks and again have our two slow central midfielders cover the flanks, or better yet leave opposition wingers two on one v Young and Mykolenko. Bournemouth anyone?


Every time Dyche has moved away from sitting deep, midfield deep, Doucoure behind Calvert Lewin we’ve been battered because the same problems haven’t gone away. They’ll still be here for the next manager as well just as they were for Lampard and Benitez as well.

Until the new owners buy two quick fullbacks, a quick CB to go with Branthwaite, two quick central midfielders, and two quick wide players as a minimum, you can keep moaning about the tactics all you want, they’re not going to change or if they do it will be with worse results.

Ancelotti came to the same conclusion as soon as James was injured and whenever Doucoure wasn’t fit for him all sorts of teams just ran through us at Goodison.

It’s been a problem for years and hasn’t been solved by successive managers from the moment McCarthy got injured under Martinez. If not have no pace in your team you’re not going to be on the front foot and you’ll be sat deep if you want any chance of results. Lampard showed what happened if you try and go against this and don’t have the players to do it.
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Why did he sell Gray if we need pace to play his preferred system?
 
Blue Roo said:
You can't blame Dyche for repeatedly passing the ball to the opposition players or having the touch of a feckin giraffe.
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I heard Kieran McKenna saying how proud he is of his team because i think he said 6-7 of them came up from league one to the PL.

Stop being fooled thinking other clubs like this having better players than us, they are being better coached, they are being positive, they are attacking teams.
That goes for the Fulhams Brentford Palace Brighton Forrest etc...
 
Gilbert.. said:
Thats fair enough. There's a few comments on here that i sometimes find amazing. The club needs to massively move away from Dyche. Ive read on here lately some posters turning their nose up at Brighton. Brighton did exactly what Everton need to do. Change the mentality of how they play. Replacing Hughton with Potter did exactly that. And recruiting players who look they havent just been introduced to a ball.
Clubs got to start somewhere. New owners and a new stadium might be it. And Dyche. God knows what he's doing behind the scenes with his approach to football.
Ive just got everything crossed anyone goes into the new stadium not in the championship. Im not as confident as some who think its not gona happen. I can see it being very close. We havent scored a goal away from home in nearly 2 months. If you looked at Dyche on saturday he's not fussed in the slightest it seems. Give him a 0-0 and he's as happy as a pig is sh!t.
Mentality. All wrong.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if we go down, but that's kind of why i'm a bit more relaxed about the manager than a lot of posters. I think this is a squad that could easily be relegated. It was under Lampard, it is under Dyche, and it would be under pretty much anybody. That doesn't mean they should go down, just that I don't think we have a squad that I would expect to be doing significantly better than this whoever was in charge. I can see why we've decided that trying to be defensively solid and difficult to beat is the best way to make sure it doesn't happen because I think we have a severe shortage of attacking quality, but I do appreciate that I may be wrong on that and it's possible they're better than I give them credit for. There's not a lot of evidence to support it, but it is possible.
 


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