2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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We could have been 3/4 down by half time vs palace. We scored our 2 shots on target. They had twice as many shots as us and 60% possession.Not sure it was that even.

I agree that they bossed us in the midfield and were much quicker in the head in the first half, but they didn't create much with their superiority. Their goal was exemplary as we were too slow and didn't clear the ball on multiple occasions.

We were lucky that they didn't punish our passivity like Spurs did, but I don't think they created a lot in the first half to be up more than by 1 goal.

That we punished their first mistake by a good goal of Dwight for pressing much higher is something we should take.
 

Good post mate.

I think what's needed and what might change are two very different things. There absolutely has to be a change in culture in the organisation and that needs to start at the top and permeate down. Its going to be interesting, a lot of the staff at the club are used to operating in a certain environment and in certain limits with a certain skill set, whether some can adapt or not is interesting. If we take an example of say when Bill was chairman we were run so strigently and had built a club on value - to some reasonable success - that when resource came to the club the skills just weren't there to operate with different resources in different markets and build at a different level and we made an utter mess of it. I think we need to learn those lessons.

Personally i think we will see change at the top to begin with, they will want to do things incrementally i would think over a two year period, too much change can be damaging.

On Dyche i think the opportunity cant be past up to look at it, you need the best candidate always and with the changing land scape, contract situation and opportunity to put a plan in place - you have to look at it. Be a bad organsation that doesn't. I still think he has qualities that will be valued by an owner - namely their bottom line. We as fans just look at one game to the next - the owner looks at it as - hes here 18 months, hes kept us up twice in two very adverse manure shows thats worth 240 mill to me. Or hes brought a kid into the team played him consistently, hes now worth £100 mill to me. He brought that Ndaiye lad in for 14 mill, hes now worth 30 mill to me. I appreciate the job Dyche has done here and will always be grateful to him, im open minded though given whats happening at the club. I dont think change is the slam dunk most people do though.


FFP will be a fine balancing act, the sheer volume of players out of contract creates both opportunity and risk, if Keane, Dom and the Duke leave thats almost 300k a week in wagers freed up. Yet changing 13 players in one window is always a bad idea. While we likely still be operating in margins and cutting cloth. Some balance and compromise is going to have to be found on change and continuity.

One of the things on my mind at the moment is culture on the first team squad - i remember working very hard somewhere bashing my head of a wall trying to change a culture in an orgainsation in short space of time - a bad culture is endemic it gets everywhere management, teams, individuals. A colleague sat me down one day and told me it takes 10 years to really change a culture in an organsiation - they were right. It will take time here, to much change to quickly doesn't help. Most people dont know or dont want to accept they are part of a bad culture.

Its why im in two minds on next steps, particularly on the issue of a coach or a football manager. I think this group of players have always needed a football manager, i don't think you can give them inch and until that collapse culture is kicked out, im not sure we have that flexibility to go without a manager type.
So you’re not giving Thelwell credit for any signings or just Beto. And made 240mil how do you work that out ?
 
Well I certain person who knows more than me and you has said that Thelwell and dyche do work together, but they ain’t bussom buddies. Also Everton reached out to DCL’s agency a few weeks ago and he’s not interested in staying, because he hates the style of play and does t really see eye to eye with dyche.

There massive red flags, good players don’t want to play for dyche, Onana/DCL how many others ? Did good players turn us down because of dyche and the style. He also wasn’t Thelwell’s choice of manager.

If we want to kick on as a club, you can’t Sean dyche as your manager abs my feeling is, he will be lucky to last the season, but there’s not a chance he stays beyond that

Have different info myself mate, have been told they work well together - dont know about a personal relationship - im not sure that's mission critical - to be honest you want a dynamic rather then a talking shop and healthy professional disagreements. Also heard Everton have gone back to DCL over this break, his issue is the maliese at the club in general, he wants to be convinced of the clubs overall ambition is what i was told.

You can spin it any way really, its as easy to say red flags over someone like Onana and for me to say Branthwaite was happy to stay at the club in the summer because Dyche stayed and he has put his faith in him.
 
So you’re not giving Thelwell credit for any signings or just Beto. And made 240mil how do you work that out ?

Happy to give him credit also, sure, Kevs getting a new contract i believe - id be disappointed if they weren't working as a team - you literally said in the post above they dont get on. :lol:

We clear about £120 + mill in PL money at a base rate every year. By 2, that's 240 mill - i think we can all accept that was in jeopardy the last two preceding seasons.
 
Have different info myself mate, have been told they work well together - dont know about a personal relationship - im not sure that's mission critical - to be honest you want a dynamic rather then a talking shop and healthy professional disagreements. Also heard Everton have gone back to DCL over this break, his issue is the maliese at the club in general, he want to be convinced of the clubs overall ambition is what i was told.

You can spin it any way really, its as easy to say red flags over someone like Onana and for me to say Branthwaite was happy to stay at the club in the summer because Dyche stayed and he put his faith in him.
So not heard what Onana said about Emery? Or what Tim said about dyche or dyche saying 4 weeks into pre season we ain’t worked on tactics yet, looks like we still haven’t started.

So Branthwaite stayed because of dyche 😂😂😂 my god that’s some spin, Shane warne would be proud of. Think it might have had something to do with no club offering 70 mil. Let’s see if he signs a new deal while dyche is here . And the information I got is well known and I’m sure many on here have heard the same thing and know where it has come from. And the guy gets little wrong.

But information or not, can any centre forward in the world enjoy being isolated and getting the ball booted at him all game?
 

Happy to give him credit also, sure, Kevs getting a new contract i believe - id be disappointed if they weren't working as a team - you literally said in the post above they dont get on. :lol:

We clear about £120 + mill in PL money at a base rate every year. By 2, that's 240 mill - i think we can all accept that was in jeopardy the last two preceding seasons.
didn’t say they didn’t get on, I said they aren’t as close as you reackon, Thelwell wanted coreberan, dyche will know that to. And noise coming out about the DOF getting a new deal , but not dyche
 
So not heard what Onana said about Emery? Or what Tim said about dyche or dyche saying 4 weeks into pre season we ain’t worked on tactics yet, looks like we still haven’t started.

So Branthwaite stayed because of dyche 😂😂😂 my god that’s some spin, Shane warne would be proud of. Think it might have had something to do with no club offering 70 mil. Let’s see if he signs a new deal while dyche is here . And the information I got is well known and I’m sure many on here have heard the same thing and know where it has come from. And the guy gets little wrong.

But information or not, can any centre forward in the world enjoy being isolated and getting the ball booted at him all game?

I heard the exact same thing about DCL mate and that came from my neighbour who is a sports journo for a broadsheet, so I’d tend to believe him over one of the chief Dyche fan boys on here.
 
So not heard what Onana said about Emery? Or what Tim said about dyche or dyche saying 4 weeks into pre season we ain’t worked on tactics yet, looks like we still haven’t started.

So Branthwaite stayed because of dyche 😂😂😂 my god that’s some spin, Shane warne would be proud of. Think it might have had something to do with no club offering 70 mil. Let’s see if he signs a new deal while dyche is here . And the information I got is well known and I’m sure many on here have heard the same thing and know where it has come from. And the guy gets little wrong.

But information or not, can any centre forward in the world enjoy being isolated and getting the ball booted at him all game?

You can also dig out articles about Onana on how Dyche wants him to develop and how refreshing it was that he brought Defour in for him as a mentor. Branthwaite is on record saying how appreciative he is of his development under him and opportunity he has given him. Take it all with a pinch of salt. I dont want a manager who is liked, i want a manager who is respected, Onana in particular needed a boot up the backside toward the end of last season. Not sure if you manager sports team - but if all of them like you - you are doing a poor job.

Go ahead and tell us all the information - ive shared mine, its different - i expect when people share that kind of stuff, mine own included, they take it or leave it as they will.

Centre forward has been isolated at Everton for the guts on 35 years mate. we've as many support players around him now then ever. I actually think having that doesn't play to Doms strengths - hes been Bambi on ice trying to get on the end of Ndiyae, Harrison or McNeill balls at his feet. Its really exposd him IMO. To be honest im not particularly fussed if Dom stays or goes, particularly if hes writing cheques or contributing to instability his performance isn't justifying.

My info is we have gone back to him in the break and he wants to see plans on the takeover and what the plans are for the future and what levels of investment etc - hes frustrated with Everton going no where- i assume what might happen with the manager may also be a valid question - maybe we both have the same info and interrupting it differently. The talks are ongoing after shutting down for a bit.
 
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didn’t say they didn’t get on, I said they aren’t as close as you reackon, Thelwell wanted coreberan, dyche will know that to. And noise coming out about the DOF getting a new deal , but not dyche

I dont think i ever said they were close, like i dont know what you mean by close - what do you want them to do- have Xmas dinner together, date night once a week - they work together well - they don't ignore each other in the corridor - not sure what point you are making here.
 
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So not heard what Onana said about Emery? Or what Tim said about dyche or dyche saying 4 weeks into pre season we ain’t worked on tactics yet, looks like we still haven’t started.

So Branthwaite stayed because of dyche 😂😂😂 my god that’s some spin, Shane warne would be proud of. Think it might have had something to do with no club offering 70 mil. Let’s see if he signs a new deal while dyche is here . And the information I got is well known and I’m sure many on here have heard the same thing and know where it has come from. And the guy gets little wrong.

But information or not, can any centre forward in the world enjoy being isolated and getting the ball booted at him all game?
honestly not sure what Dyche does if he isn’t bothering to coach players. Tim coming out saying Dyche hasn’t been coaching him and Dyche admitting he stays away from branthwaite. 2 young lads who should be getting coached. Certainly by a manager who is costing £5m a year.

Follow that up with Onana saying the plan of hoof it long. Don’t need to pay someone £5m to tell them to do that.
 
So to summerise Neilers walls of texts, let's not bicker and argue, let's just agree with him and 2 other people in this thread!

Was thinking that as i was posting to be fair! :lol: Glad someone called my hypocrisy out!

Im not even doing it on a Dyche agenda, some of the stuff is just horse manure to be honest, there is loads to be critical about, without making stuff up.

Genuinely think though, the manamgent position needs to be looked at by the TFG in the summer, not on any sentiment by fans etc - but it needs to be reviewed at the end of his contract if he is still the best candidate - for what plan they want to put in place and direction they want to go. Its a bad organisation that doesnt, as much as i have appreciated the job hes done and stability brought
 
Was thinking that as i was posting to be fair! :lol: Glad someone called my hypocrisy out!

Im not even doing it on Dyche agenda, some of the stuff is horse manure to be honest, there is loads to be critical about, without making stuff up.

Genuinely think though, it needs to be looked at the TFG in the summer, not on any sentiment by fans etc - but it needs to be reviewed at the end of his contract if he is still the best candidate - for what plan they want to put in place and direction they want to go. Its a bad organisation that doesnt, as much as i have appreciated the job hes done and stability brought
Fair view and agree providing he isn't sinking us before end of season. People will hate it, I mean I do too, but he's got one job to do and that's keep us up, that's literally all he's been hired for. I want more, but understand the situation. Get the takeover, the stadium swap done, move forward.
 
Fair view and agree providing he isn't sinking us before end of season. People will hate it, I mean I do too, but he's got one job to do and that's keep us up, that's literally all he's been hired for. I want more, but understand the situation. Get the takeover, the stadium swap done, move forward.

Be disappointed by anything below 10-12th and will hold him to that standard personally mate. Truth being, in a way his future is in his own hands, so he has to post a performance - that's how it should be, that's the industry. The club themselves have budgeted from 15th down - so that's their expectation.

If he wants to be considered a candidate going forward he needs to show progress year, on year, here.

Ultimately though there has to be a vision, if the vision is to go full Brighton - then is he the best candidate......

Its very hard to extrapolate what the TFG vision could be.
 
Be disappointed by anything below 10-12th and will hold him to that standard personally mate. Truth being, in a way his future is in his own hands, so he has to post a performance - that's how it should be, that's the industry. The club themselves have budgeted from 15th down - so that's their expectation.

If he wants to be considered a candidate going forward he needs to show progress year, on year, here.

Ultimately though there has to be a vision, if the vision is to go full Brighton - then is he the best candidate......

Its very hard to extrapolate what the TFG vision could be.
Yep same here regarding league table but I'm not gonna let it ruin my weekends if we endnup 15th either. This has to be his final year with us imo, I don't see him growing our club in a positive manner, but I appreciate what he's done so far. Can't live in the past though, and I think he's reached his glass ceiling.
 

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