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[Terrarian]

Anyway, to steer (haha) away from the topic of electric cars - I'm getting married next Friday! We're doing a signing and gathering with friends only, a proper church wedding with all the bells and whistles is in the plan for next year on the same date as it's more difficult to organise due to parents, etc.

Congratulations, seems love is in the air with @fandjango getting the love bug as well.

 

[Gwladysover]

…..congratulations and very best wishes for the future

Mrs Eggs and I are a bit further down the road, married 40 years next month.

To you and Mrs Eggs

 

[Armaghtoffee]

here's one of my new favourite tunes

Very Sarah McLachlan.

 

[Terrarian]

Very Sarah McLachlan.

So you know a bit of trance then AT good stuff.

 

[PhilM]

How long would it roughly take to charge a vehicle?

Again, I can only go off what I've been told (anecdotal) and what I've read, but the most appropriate answer would be - how long is a piece of string?

The public chargers are much quicker as they have a higher kWh rating, so he said he can normally charge his van in between 15–30 minutes.

This is where the additional cost comes. The Tesla network, which you have to buy into, are super quick at charging, but the access is very limited.

The cheapest option is as at home, yet as @jazzy said you need to fork out for the cost of the charger, so that's an additional expense. They're relatively slow, too.

The ones in the lampposts around here are less than 5kw per hour, so you're likely going to be around the 8-10 hour mark to get to the magic 80% mark.

He simply doesn't have the time to leave his van for that long away from his house, although it's 53p per kWh rather than the 85p*. But the 80% bit confused me.

He said you should be keeping the battery between the 20-80% mark, and charging above the 80% a) takes disproportionately longer, and b) reduces the batter life.

I said doesn't that mean you get less miles on a charge and he said yeah, so the 200mile range I mentioned probably isn't even accurate - it's less.

I'll fill my diesel at Costco for around £80, it takes me five minutes at most, and it lasts me a fortnight based on driving habits. EV do not sell themselves to me.

*His home rate would be 7p per kWh, but he can't due to where he lives.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Again, I can only go off what I've been told (anecdotal) and what I've read, but the most appropriate answer would be - how long is a piece of string?

The public chargers are much quicker as they have a higher kWh rating, so he said he can normally charge his van in between 15–30 minutes.

This is where the additional cost comes. The Tesla network, which you have to buy into, are super quick at charging, but the access is very limited.

The cheapest option is as at home, yet as @jazzy said you need to fork out for the cost of the charger, so that's an additional expense. They're relatively slow, too.

The ones in the lampposts around here are less than 5kw per hour, so you're likely going to be around the 8-10 hour mark to get to the magic 80% mark.

He simply doesn't have the time to leave his van for that long away from his house, although it's 53p per kWh rather than the 85p*. But the 80% bit confused me.

He said you should be keeping the battery between the 20-80% mark, and charging above the 80% a) takes disproportionately longer, and b) reduces the batter life.

I said doesn't that mean you get less miles on a charge and he said yeah, so the 200mile range I mentioned probably isn't even accurate - it's less.

I'll fill my diesel at Costco for around £80, it takes me five minutes at most, and it lasts me a fortnight based on driving habits. EV do not sell themselves to me.

*His home rate would be 7p per kWh, but he can't due to where he lives.

Reading all of this today has put me right off EVs. I’m not really a car person anyway (just functional to me) but I have really misunderstood the constraints of EVs. Had you asked me yesterday, I would have thought anyone with an EV was ahead of the curve and we would all follow in due course. Plenty of work still to be done all round.

 

[Gwladysover]

Right I’ve had a word with myself re my negativity. I’ve dealt with far worse than travel delays/cancellations and if all else fails if we make it as far as Leeds we’ll get a taxi. Note to self make sure the husband has his debit card. Anyway I daren’t miss @jazzy Apprentice tour after all the hard work he’s put into the itinerary. lol Off to check the bags again, catch you later when hopefully I’ll be by the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey.
Have a good day,all.

 

[Gwladysover]

Forgot to say hope your back is improving @Val P

 

[DualityNSNO]

How long would it roughly take to charge a vehicle?

According to my research the "average" cost per mile for a typical EV was .06 o per mile and .36p per mile for non EV.

However with a decent home charging pad costing around £1200 ( you can get cheaper but then increase the charging time) and increased acquisition cost you are going to have to do a lot of miles to recoup the difference.

Depends on the charging pad and car. On average a home charge will take about 8 hours

You can get fast charging ones at home too, they just need to be on a separate much more powerful breaker, so consult your electrician etc.

The price difference isn't massive in the devices, but it's deemed a bit pointless in reality - if you're at home you can afford to leave it on for longer. If you have more cars, I suppose, it makes a bit of sense, but up to the people and use case and all. We have some of those in the office building as one of the companies that makes them is in the same building - you can get 0-100 in an hour or so.

Again, I can only go off what I've been told (anecdotal) and what I've read, but the most appropriate answer would be - how long is a piece of string?

The public chargers are much quicker as they have a higher kWh rating, so he said he can normally charge his van in between 15–30 minutes.

This is where the additional cost comes. The Tesla network, which you have to buy into, are super quick at charging, but the access is very limited.

The cheapest option is as at home, yet as @jazzy said you need to fork out for the cost of the charger, so that's an additional expense. They're relatively slow, too.

The ones in the lampposts around here are less than 5kw per hour, so you're likely going to be around the 8-10 hour mark to get to the magic 80% mark.

He simply doesn't have the time to leave his van for that long away from his house, although it's 53p per kWh rather than the 85p*. But the 80% bit confused me.

He said you should be keeping the battery between the 20-80% mark, and charging above the 80% a) takes disproportionately longer, and b) reduces the batter life.

I said doesn't that mean you get less miles on a charge and he said yeah, so the 200mile range I mentioned probably isn't even accurate - it's less.

I'll fill my diesel at Costco for around £80, it takes me five minutes at most, and it lasts me a fortnight based on driving habits. EV do not sell themselves to me.

*His home rate would be 7p per kWh, but he can't due to where he lives.

You don't have to do it to 80% every time, it's quicker to go 0-80% than it is 80-100% as charging a battery is not a linear but an exponential process. Just for the info - the same rule applies to all battery powered devices - phones, laptops, tools, etc.

It's to do with the battery sitting on 100%, I suppose if you drive it instantly it doesn't really make much of a difference as its discharge will be more or less instant to go down from 100. The thing is that there's also recuperation motors on all of those and in my experience setting it to higher doesn't really impact your drive, but gives you a fair amount of mileage back. It will deteorirate the battery quicker but it's not like it'll ruin it like, you've still got several years of 100% being the same amount of mileage.

In my anecdotal experience, if we go to my (soon to be) wife's parents house that's exactly 190km away and use one of those rent-a-car EV's I mentioned earlier - some have the smaller 260km range and aren't at 100%. We've gotten in a car that has 200km range, driven there at highway speeds (120-140km/h) for about 80km, the rest is a bit of city/town driving and normal roads inbetween (80-90km/h speed limit) with the AC at full blast all the time and arrived having 30-50km or so left, several times in two different model cars and obviously a different battery-state on them, not brand new every time. I've managed to recuperate a good amount on city driving as well, as long as you don't suffer from leadfoot - so can anyone really.

Feels like the UK's shafted by the electricity prices currently to be quite honest, especially if you're worse off than Bulgaria of all places lol

 

[DualityNSNO]

And thanks for the kind words, all! x

 

[Val P]

Again, I can only go off what I've been told (anecdotal) and what I've read, but the most appropriate answer would be - how long is a piece of string?

The public chargers are much quicker as they have a higher kWh rating, so he said he can normally charge his van in between 15–30 minutes.

This is where the additional cost comes. The Tesla network, which you have to buy into, are super quick at charging, but the access is very limited.

The cheapest option is as at home, yet as @jazzy said you need to fork out for the cost of the charger, so that's an additional expense. They're relatively slow, too.

The ones in the lampposts around here are less than 5kw per hour, so you're likely going to be around the 8-10 hour mark to get to the magic 80% mark.

He simply doesn't have the time to leave his van for that long away from his house, although it's 53p per kWh rather than the 85p*. But the 80% bit confused me.

He said you should be keeping the battery between the 20-80% mark, and charging above the 80% a) takes disproportionately longer, and b) reduces the batter life.

I said doesn't that mean you get less miles on a charge and he said yeah, so the 200mile range I mentioned probably isn't even accurate - it's less.

I'll fill my diesel at Costco for around £80, it takes me five minutes at most, and it lasts me a fortnight based on driving habits. EV do not sell themselves to me.

*His home rate would be 7p per kWh, but he can't due to where he lives.

Yes I’m with you on this. Ideal I would imagine if you live in a city and do lots of shortish journeys, but for the rest of us not so much. Also I’m sure the long term impact has not been thought through (again). So it’s carry on diesel for me at between 45 and 60 to the gallon.

 

[anjelikaferrett]

Good morning all. My son's surgery has been cancelled. His biopsy came back and the cancer has spread to his lymph nodes. So he now has an appointment on Thursday to discuss a different surgery whereby they do the foot operation and also remove his lymph nodes. Hopefully when he has the meeting on Thursday he will get a date for that operation. I've told him that he is on a different path to recovery to the previous one but it will be OK in the end. Still very worrying though.
Anyway to change the subject all I know about electric cars is that they are rubbish in cold weather. I've heard stories of only getting 30 miles on one charge. As you know Mr F and I love going to Scotland. I've wondered on our last couple of trips that if we were up in the Highlands in an electric car how would we charge it without having to drive miles to find a charging point.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yes I’m with you on this. Ideal I would imagine if you live in a city and do lots of shortish journeys, but for the rest of us not so much. Also I’m sure the long term impact has not been thought through (again). So it’s carry on diesel for me at between 45 and 60 to the gallon.

Well to be honest on average in Europe I think the round trip people do per day is like 10-15km or something, so that does fall into the short distance trip.

It has been thought through though (what a string of words here lol ) - battery production/recycling is the most toxic part of an electric vehicle, the rest is better than a non-EV. Even then - new methods and robots being developed to recycle the batteries is a thing that's happening, but the problem is that electricity doesn't just naturally appear at the charge port, it's also using other processes, and so on and so forth. Nuclear solves that, but has a lot of opponents too so... lol

I'm not 100% in on them either, I'd love it if they were appropriately priced and all, but currently it's not great. I also just like new tech/innovation so I know it's a personal thing a lot more than it is not.

Tell you what though, it annoys the da's that are against anything new, so for that alone I'm all for it lol

 

[jazzy]

Good morning all. My son's surgery has been cancelled. His biopsy came back and the cancer has spread to his lymph nodes. So he now has an appointment on Thursday to discuss a different surgery whereby they do the foot operation and also remove his lymph nodes. Hopefully when he has the meeting on Thursday he will get a date for that operation. I've told him that he is on a different path to recovery to the previous one but it will be OK in the end. Still very worrying though.
Anyway to change the subject all I know about electric cars is that they are rubbish in cold weather. I've heard stories of only getting 30 miles on one charge. As you know Mr F and I love going to Scotland. I've wondered on our last couple of trips that if we were up in the Highlands in an electric car how would we charge it without having to drive miles to find a charging point.

Oh Anj I'm so sorry about your son.

 

[jazzy]

Right I’ve had a word with myself re my negativity. I’ve dealt with far worse than travel delays/cancellations and if all else fails if we make it as far as Leeds we’ll get a taxi. Note to self make sure the husband has his debit card. Anyway I daren’t miss @jazzy Apprentice tour after all the hard work he’s put into the itinerary. lol Off to check the bags again, catch you later when hopefully I’ll be by the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey.
Have a good day,all.

If you get stuck get a train to Preston or Wigan and give me a call and I will pick you up.