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Blue 1 said:
How much do you think kicking the people at the bottom of the pile will save or generate?

We've had 40 years of ever-tougher benefits regimes, hasn't fixed anything, but has caused untold misery and suffering. It's already one of the most miserly and inadequate systems in the developed world.
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Claimants of DLA are now better off on PIP, there has been no saving in the move and costs more. This I can anecdotally verify as well. The problem I have is the introduction of private sector in assessments, the process is atrocious and designed to frustrate in my opinion. Thing is with benefits is you are better off not having anything, if you become e unwell and have an asset such as house on mortgage, your screwed. If you rent and become unwell the money is their to support a good recovery.
 
Maybe looking at what I'd term 'indirect' benefit claimants might be a good start.

www.theguardian.com

Private landlords in England get £1.6bn a year welfare for ‘non-decent’ homes

Sadiq Khan describes figures from City Hall analysis as a scandal, with London the worst affected region
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Doesn't get moaned about so much. Because it's wealth being transferred from the state to bad bad Tories. Which is okay, right?
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Maybe looking at what I'd term 'indirect' benefit claimants might be a good start.

www.theguardian.com

Private landlords in England get £1.6bn a year welfare for ‘non-decent’ homes

Sadiq Khan describes figures from City Hall analysis as a scandal, with London the worst affected region
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Doesn't get moaned about so much. Because it's wealth being transferred from the state to bad bad Tories. Which is okay, right?
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Been saying this for years. Having loads of state owned housing would deliver better housing at lower cost and would (if done right) do a lot to deal with antisocial / criminal behaviour too.
 
If I may.

Don't like the sick and disabled? Sound. Put the doctors and hospitals and nurses and treatments in place before the sufferers are that knackered that disability is their last resort. An uncaring and cut throat social care system is a part of the larger issue as well, 'any job that's there you have to take' or its sanctions (starvation). So you can't get the debilitating injury/or worse even looked at let alone fixed, and some desk nazi is forcing the issue to go and break your back so they can meet their 'back to work targets'.

There are people in work still using foodbanks, the torys have invented another class of poverty, 'the working poor', it keeps their donors flush and the serfs in their place.

I'm alright Jack!
 
From an article in todays paper - “ the Labour Party has sacrificed bold idealism for a don’t-rock-boat centre ground in which nothing really changes “.

I used to look askance at an old workmate of mine who referred to the Labour Party as “ Capitalism’s second eleven “. I can see where he was coming from now.
 
Rita_Poon said:
If I may.

Don't like the sick and disabled? Sound. Put the doctors and hospitals and nurses and treatments in place before the sufferers are that knackered that disability is their last resort. An uncaring and cut throat social care system is a part of the larger issue as well, 'any job that's there you have to take' or its sanctions (starvation). So you can't get the debilitating injury/or worse even looked at let alone fixed, and some desk nazi is forcing the issue to go and break your back so they can meet their 'back to work targets'.

There are people in work still using foodbanks, the torys have invented another class of poverty, 'the working poor', it keeps their donors flush and the serfs in their place.

I'm alright Jack!
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Indeed and if others actually listen to full interview the plan is to fix the NHS to repair waiting lists and get more people able to return to the workplace. Offer training and support and specifically tailored apprenticeship schemes to get them back into work and build a stronger green economy that means those people can be paid more money making their work better rewarded.

It’s a rounded thing. Not just about getting sick people into work but expanding the pool of workers to help grow GDP via training and public service improvement and infrastructure investment to get industries moving and hiring.

Also, employers are picky. They don't want long-term unemployed. They don't want older people. They don't want people with health problems. They don't want people with disabilities, such as autism. They want unicorns, people with experience who are able to jump straight without the need for any training.

You can give unemployed all the poxy certificates in the world. but unless the mentality of employers change, nothing will change.

Hence Labour still want to strengthen the protections afforded to all workers by banning zero-hours contracts, ending fire and rehire, and scrapping qualifying periods for basic rights, which leave working people waiting up to two years for basic protections.

Housing is another root cause of poverty in the UK, pay people whatever. If the housing stock is still short many people will remain in poverty.

It’s easy to say and hard to do but ultimately it’s the only option.
 
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Ming the merciless said:
From an article in todays paper - “ the Labour Party has sacrificed bold idealism for a don’t-rock-boat centre ground in which nothing really changes “.

I used to look askance at an old workmate of mine who referred to the Labour Party as “ Capitalism’s second eleven “. I can see where he was coming from now.
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It's a tough situation to be that bold though I'd have thought. The tax burden is already the highest since the war, so increasing taxes isn't going to be easy. Productivity has been sclerotic for a long time, so the economy isn't really growing much to generate more tax revenue, with things like Brexit certainly not helping. And we're in a higher interest rate period than we've been in since the financial crisis, so borrowing to invest isn't as affordable as it once was.

It's perhaps telling that since the Brexit referendum there has been precious little talk about domestic policies, with first Brexit, then the pandemic, and subsequently the invasion of Ukraine dominating conversation. There's a reason why the Tories focus all efforts on the daft culture war nonsense, because there isn't really much else to talk about.

Realistically, I'm not expecting Labour to do a great deal different, but hopefully they'll do so with less sleaze and dishonesty and we can at least get Westminster back to a degree of respectability again. A honest, technocratic government will do me just fine.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's a tough situation to be that bold though I'd have thought. The tax burden is already the highest since the war, so increasing taxes isn't going to be easy. Productivity has been sclerotic for a long time, so the economy isn't really growing much to generate more tax revenue, with things like Brexit certainly not helping. And we're in a higher interest rate period than we've been in since the financial crisis, so borrowing to invest isn't as affordable as it once was.

It's perhaps telling that since the Brexit referendum there has been precious little talk about domestic policies, with first Brexit, then the pandemic, and subsequently the invasion of Ukraine dominating conversation. There's a reason why the Tories focus all efforts on the daft culture war nonsense, because there isn't really much else to talk about.

Realistically, I'm not expecting Labour to do a great deal different, but hopefully they'll do so with less sleaze and dishonesty and we can at least get Westminster back to a degree of respectability again. A honest, technocratic government will do me just fine.
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Energy for me. The bit in bold ought to be by default.
 
Has anything been mentioned about the election to be Wales' next First Minister?

One of the two candidates, Vaughan Gethin, has accepted a bribe, sorry, I mean donation, of £100, 000 from a man who was prosecuted for dumping waste in a conservation area. The man's company has applied to build a solar farm on the outskirts of Cardiff. The application requires the approval of the Welsh Labour Government.
 
Aberblue said:
Has anything been mentioned about the election to be Wales' next First Minister?

One of the two candidates, Vaughan Gethin, has accepted a bribe, sorry, I mean donation, of £100, 000 from a man who was prosecuted for dumping waste in a conservation area. The man's company has applied to build a solar farm on the outskirts of Cardiff. The application requires the approval of the Welsh Labour Government.
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£200,000 he had from them,lot of dodgy dealing around unions backing him as well.
 
Charro said:
Just hope they don't fall into the traps Hunt has laid out from them with that budget.
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Labour wont release much about manifesto of course they have done a little now and then to feed the rabid media and the Tories nick the idea as they have done with Non Dom or try and hinder any spending with cuts to NI. Would imagine they have planned for these happenings.
 
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