2023/24 Dele

[Paul Rideout]

Key to paying the ten million is what contract extension comes with it, I doubt we would hand it over knowing he would walk out the door for free in the summer. If he agrees to a year extension at a reduced rate with a relegation clause then it would make it more attractive to us.

Plays anything like he used to and we also have the opportunity to move him on in the summer to recover those costs. Whatever happens you are right he should be given those 6 or so games in the best possible condition to showcase what he can do. I would be arranging behind closed door games for him to get him match ready before he steps out as a first team team player for us. If we look really good during those games and are taking more points than before then there is a world I can see where we pay Spurs the money just because it'll work out cheaper than flirting with relegation.

Yeah this is what I’ve been saying. If this deal with spurs comes to an end at the end of the initial contract terms then we should play him for 5 games, get him on a new contract on reduced terms/more performance related, then play until the end of this season and just pay up the 10m knowing that’s it, and we have dele locked in and grateful to the club.

If it’s not we need to think hard if he’s worth the money.

 

[BNJ1878]

…totally disagree but there you go.

Great!

So please explain to us simpletons why he shouldn't play for 5 or 6 games provided he's physically and mentally available for selection?

You must have a really compelling argument. I just can't figure it what it is.

 

[Eggs]

It is like this...we have rubbish players that don't win games so any hope is better than none. He has a 6 game audition where if he flops there isn't a question whether we pay or not, if he does well then why wouldn't you? We aren't talking about signing him up on a 5 year deal, all short term stuff.

…that’s simple, I wouldn’t touch him after 7 games because he could easily revert back to his ways after 10.

Most posters clearly think if he plays decently in a few games he’s worth chancing at £10m (I suspect the player is entitled to 10% of that figure), I simply wouldn’t trust him.

 

[Eggs]

Great!

So please explain to us simpletons why he shouldn't play for 5 or 6 games provided he's physically and mentally available for selection?

You must have a really compelling argument. I just can't figure it what it is.

….it’s the argument that we should trigger the £10m if he plays well that I’m against. Personally, I wouldn’t play him at all.

 

[BNJ1878]

….it’s the argument that we should trigger the £10m if he plays well that I’m against. Personally, I wouldn’t play him at all.

My point was it's zero financial risk to use him for a few games.

He might be crap and completely disinterested.

He might be fairly good but not good enough.

He might be incredible and we pay an extra 10m only for him to backslide massively.

Your argument that he shouldn't play him at all is just a bit scrambled, Mr Eggs.

 

[mahermi1]

My point was it's zero financial risk to use him for a few games.

He might be crap and completely disinterested.

He might be fairly good but not good enough.

He might be incredible and we pay an extra 10m only for him to backslide massively.

Your argument that he shouldn't play him at all is just a bit scrambled, Mr Eggs.

If and when Dele returns to fitness I'd prefer him playing in the reserves to help match fitness and see if he still has the hunger that made him a great player. Not sure like but do reserve games count as normal games per his Everton deal ?
Another thing how long was the contract signed for ? Could Everton not play him more than 7 games and let him become a free agent ? It would be lovely to get one back over Levy, I'd imagine him being furious.

 

[BNJ1878]

If and when Dele returns to fitness I'd prefer him playing in the reserves to help match fitness and see if he still has the hunger that made him a great player. Not sure like but do reserve games count as normal games per his Everton deal ?
Another thing how long was the contract signed for ? Could Everton not play him more than 7 games and let him become a free agent ? It would be lovely to get one back over Levy, I'd imagine him being furious.

Honestly, no idea.

Nobody knows the real terms of the deal outside the two clubs, the league and the player/players rep.

There's a load of speculation of course, but that's all it is. I'd speculate that game count is only Everton first team games. (otherwise we wouldn't send him out on loan to Turkey)

If we pay Spurs 10m after he passes the threshold does that automatically trigger a contract extension? Nobody here knows. (if it did, it throws a whole new angle on things.)

 

[Toffe3m4n]

No word of a lie I had a dream last night that he was back on the pitch for us & running the show, picking up the ball along the edge of the oppo's box and playing some neat one-twos into the forwards. Set up Doucoure(!) for a tap in lol

It's a vision of things to come, I'm convinced!

 

[Cjplennon]

….ridiculous. Huge risk we play him for 10 games, pay £10m and then he relapses to his old ways.

The club is not a charity, it has to be hard nosed. We should all wish the lad well with his health problems but taking Delli on in the first place is symptomatic of the basket case this club is. Paying any more monies for him other than his salary would be madness.

Hopefully we can keep making set-back excuses for the rest of the season.

Why ridiculous....and why do you qoute 10 games....thats a rather random figure that would of course make us pay the 10mil to Totenham.

As i say we can play him for 6 more games without paying a penny.....so why not give the lad a chance of he is deemed fit mentally and physically?

 

[witchdoc187]

I would be shocked if he ever plays for us again. Wish him all the best though

 

[siddharth]

Yeah this is what I’ve been saying. If this deal with spurs comes to an end at the end of the initial contract terms then we should play him for 5 games, get him on a new contract on reduced terms/more performance related, then play until the end of this season and just pay up the 10m knowing that’s it, and we have dele locked in and grateful to the club.

If it’s not we need to think hard if he’s worth the money.

Dele was a very very high-value asset at his previous club, and if he plays well in the 5 games before this January.

Isn't he allowed to sign a pre-contract with any team of his choosing? So lots of risks either way regarding that 10 million and wages.

 

[Eggs]

Why ridiculous....and why do you qoute 10 games....thats a rather random figure that would of course make us pay the 10mil to Totenham.

As i say we can play him for 6 more games without paying a penny.....so why not give the lad a chance of he is deemed fit mentally and physically?

…feels a bit like Groundhog Day answering the same question over and over.

My point is, we shouldn’t pay £10m for him regardless how he performs up to that trigger point. I said 10 games as an example of when he could revert to his old ways. It might be more than 10 games, it might be less or he might be fine until the end of the season but I don’t think £10m is a risk worth taking for somebody with his issues and who has played little football for two years.

 

[Jacko93]

I feel that Dele is exactly the type of player that we should be taking a gamble on. Granted, you can only afford a small amount of such gambles at a club such as ours, but the potential pay-off is massive.

He needs support and help to get through what he has been struggling with. All of these were unknowns at the contract agreement, he was simply a footballer struggling to regain form. There was no ability to structure an approach to help him regain form beyond, 'lets just try something different'. Now we have a pathway towards recovery, attributes that we can measure progression against, a genuine way forward that will help both the player and in turn, the team.

Yes, there is a risk, but I would argue that there is a bigger risk of any player coming in and suffering a career threatening/long term injury. At least with Dele, there is a modicum of control over recovery and response. Now that there is a better understanding of his issues, they can be monitored going forward.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I feel that Dele is exactly the type of player that we should be taking a gamble on. Granted, you can only afford a small amount of such gambles at a club such as ours, but the potential pay-off is massive.

He needs support and help to get through what he has been struggling with. All of these were unknowns at the contract agreement, he was simply a footballer struggling to regain form. There was no ability to structure an approach to help him regain form beyond, 'lets just try something different'. Now we have a pathway towards recovery, attributes that we can measure progression against, a genuine way forward that will help both the player and in turn, the team.

Yes, there is a risk, but I would argue that there is a bigger risk of any player coming in and suffering a career threatening/long term injury. At least with Dele, there is a modicum of control over recovery and response. Now that there is a better understanding of his issues, they can be monitored going forward.

The other aspect of the Dele "gamble" would be his contract situation

Say for the sake of argument we got 20 games out of him - he was fit, motivated and back to being an asset - we'd have paid Spurs their £10m by virtue of him passing the 7 games he needs to play for that to kick in.

At the end of this season, he's out of contract - we could easily find ourselves in a situation where we've paid £10m for a player to play 20 games and he suddenly becomes an attractive free agent and he gets a bite at a club with better prospects than our own. I dunno, say Villa for the sake of argument. It's an expensive gamble to take.

Effectively I wouldn't be thinking about playing him in anything more than 6 games unless the terms with Spurs were renegotiated.

 

[Cjplennon]

…feels a bit like Groundhog Day answering the same question over and over.

My point is, we shouldn’t pay £10m for him regardless how he performs up to that trigger point. I said 10 games as an example of when he could revert to his old ways. It might be more than 10 games, it might be less or he might be fine until the end of the season but I don’t think £10m is a risk worth taking for somebody with his issues and who has played little football for two years.

Who knows how the contact works after the first tigger point. It will all come down to the financials. Perhaps if he has 6 outstanding games and we paybthe 10 mil, we could make a profit on selling him on. No idea, but im sure one way or another we will have our pants pulled down.