VAR

Azza said:
This is absolutely scandalous. If they're doing something to 'help' their mate then who's to say they can't be influenced by any other third party.
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Absolutely. I posted the following in the 'scrap VAR' thread in 'World Football' quite a while ago now.

Good post. This is the crux of the matter though. People have been slamming the refereeing in this country for a long time now. Let's not forget, it was shoddy refereeing, ultimately that led to VAR. It was basically meant to stop appalling injustices, wasn't it? With hindsight, it definitely seems like that's how it was 'sold.'

What we really need to do is tear up the current gateway to becoming a Premier League ref.

People rightly question whether the officials may be reluctant to overturn their 'mates' decision, because they'll be working together a lot and what have you. Well. it goes a lot deeper than that. How many people stop to consider that most of these refs will have known each other since they were very young?

The path to becoming a 'top ref' can start at age 14. If you come through the system, and end up becoming a Premier League ref, you will earn 'a salary of between £38,500 and £42,000 – which varies based on experience. Referees are then given an extra £1,150 for matches they are put in charge of, which means that a Premier League referee can earn up to £70,000 per season.'

Obviously, if you ref at a lower level, pay will be lower. There's so many issues with this. For a start, if you hang your mate out to dry once too often, then you're basically messing with his livelihood, Another issue with this is the talent pool you're recruiting from, You're basically recruiting people who've set out on a career knowing that if they get to the very, very top, become one of the elite in their field, then they could earn up to 70k a year... They're hardly gonna attract the finest minds in the country are they? This is a league that has just spent £2 billion on transfers.

Is paying Premier League refs up to 70k per year also not leaving the system open to corruption? 70k a year? To make decisions that can have implications worth 10's of million of pounds? Fool proof eh?
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IMO, the selection process for the prem has to start from a much higher standard. I'd genuinely make it a gateway requirement to be a doctor and I'd pay them all 500k a year.


TL;DR?

Who was that meff crowing about earning 70k a year? He was defo a Premier League ref.
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SCRAP VAR

i still think its more of an issue with the crap/biased english refs than VAR itself. Many other leagues have implemented VAR without the disastrous results we are seeing in the Prem. Obsessed by status here in the UK in particular economic status, simply they and their captain Van sore knee...
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Obviously wouldn't want to give his mate a hard time by sending him to a review a decision that if you call it right no one can have any complaints against you. If you can't get a call right after seeing it from 10 different angles and in slow motion then you might be in the wrong job.

It's just an oxymoron as if anything it opens you up to less abuse. Tits the lot of them, just like Clattenberg and the derby it's already been mapped out before you play. We have to be near perfect to win games whereas they can get away with an awful performance and win due to every 60/40 nevermind 50/50 decision going their way.
 

Refs shoudn't be on VAR. Human nature will inevitibly kick and you'll want to save your mate from grief. What Dean has admitted to (12 months after the event) will still be going on. VAR should be run by an independent body and the people who make the decisions should be forbidden from having any contact with the refs. Better still, scrap the whole thing.
As the tabloids proved many years ago, self regulation doesn't work. It's like marking your own exams.
 
MACCA75 said:
It’s just nonsense. The answer to referees giving biased decisions in favour of the big clubs isn’t to ask 2 of them rather than 1.

Every week VAR turns a blind eye to decisions against the big teams - the Man Utd keeper incident said it all.
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They have the perfect get out…Clear and obvious instead of getting the RIGHT decision

What VAR be spot on this weekend because if it isn’t.

Ideally we need 1 to go against the RS
 
MrGrumpy said:
They have the perfect get out…Clear and obvious instead of getting the RIGHT decision
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A similar standard works well enough for the NFL and college football, but they have also had decades to learn how to manage the standard. It's the stuff at full speed not subject to review that they still screw up on the regular.

Refereeing biases are common across sports. The more the sanctioning body has a stake in outcomes, the more likely it becomes that officiating will be visibly biased. Increases in viewership are the main vehicle to increase the budget, which enables executives to give themselves pay raises. If they can put a thumb on the scale to generate tasty semifinal and final matchups, or keep things close until the last league weekend, they can inflate viewership. That translates to money directly in their pockets later. Asking leagues to give up that ability is tantamount to asking executives to take a voluntary pay cut. People don't do that.

You would think that the Premier League's one-team-one-vote policy would solve this problem. It doesn't. The supermajority requirement for change means that seven votes can block anything. If VAR happens to benefit the big fish, it just takes one defector who is safely up every season to take the resulting money and run. In seasons past, that was us with respect to other matters.

There isn't a 'solution' to the problem. There are ways that would work better than the present VAR fiasco. The first season of NFL instant replay was so bad that it disappeared for thirteen years before returning with the revamped format we know today. The Prem's governance structure, however, means ratings will have to decline before meaningful change becomes likely.
 

With great power comes great responsibility. I think it has done wonders for offsides and players blatantly blocking shots with their hands and the like, but it’s apparent that there is major bias involved and for that reason alone it should be investigated or scrapped until they can find a better implementation.
 

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