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[LostLegend]

I would imagine this girl in question was being bullied / felt ostracised prior to her becoming trans (im not arguing that now being trans the level of bullying hasn't got worse).

Here we go with the jumping to conclusions again. Are you seriously trying to say that she is somehow pre-disposed to bullying and that the anti-trans bullying wouldn't have happened otherwise? Think about what you are saying here.

The problem in society on this subject my friend is that transgender / gender fluidity etc is incorporated in the LGBT umbrella so any discussion on the matter is trivialised and "normalised" for want of a better phrase. The problem with that is in that umbrella you have those groups based on sexual preference and those based on gender identity and they're two completely different things.

With this sort of thing I compare it to having a weed in your garden in which your instant solution to the issue is to simply cut the grass every fortnight but all you're doing is removing the head of the weed - you aint dealing with the root cause of the problem hence why rates of suicide, suicide attempts and depression/anxiety are so high in the transgender community (in particular the younger trans who are still developing emotionally/mentally).

I've re-read this several times now and each time it makes less and less sense. Pure stream of consciousness babble.

Until we as a society stop trivialising this subject more and more young boys and girls are going to struggle with themselves because we don't try understand the root cause of their struggles.

We don't try to understand the root cause? The subject is trivialised? On what do you base these claims on? You're literally making this up as you go along aren't you?

The far left think they're helping these people but they are not - look at that trans comedian whipping his tally wacker oot on live television - if I or you did that we'll have been banged up man ! Even a biological woman would have gotten in hot water for flashing her gash (especially if she had a northern accent) yet those in the media and certain groups of the Left find it "hilarious" "empowering" and have essentially tried to turn trans into some fetishism/circus and its morally wrong imo.

DARN THOSE FAR LEFT BOOGEYMEN! lol

As for the 'trans comedian' exposing themselves, I'm not sure why this is even relevant to this conversation.
Jerry Sadowitz and Louis CK have gotten themselves in hot water over the past few years as stand-up's for doing the same thing.
I'm not condoning it, but pointing to a trans person doing it and trying to make out that it somehow is representative of all trans people is frankly ridiculous.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Here we go with the jumping to conclusions again. Are you seriously trying to say that she is somehow pre-disposed to bullying and that the anti-trans bullying wouldn't have happened otherwise? Think about what you are saying here.


I've re-read this several times now and each time it makes less and less sense. Pure stream of consciousness babble.


We don't try to understand the root cause? The subject is trivialised? On what do you base these claims on? You're literally making this up as you go along aren't you?


DARN THOSE FAR LEFT BOOGEYMEN! lol

As for the 'trans comedian' exposing themselves, I'm not sure why this is even relevant to this conversation.
Jerry Sadowitz and Louis CK have gotten themselves in hot water over the past few years as stand-up's for doing the same thing.
I'm not condoning it, but pointing to a trans person doing it and trying to make out that it somehow is representative of all trans people is frankly ridiculous.

Careful mate he knows kickboxing. Could have been professional but is too old now unfortunately

 

[Goat]

I would imagine this girl in question was being bullied / felt ostracised prior to her becoming trans (im not arguing that now being trans the level of bullying hasn't got worse).

The problem in society on this subject my friend is that transgender / gender fluidity etc is incorporated in the LGBT umbrella so any discussion on the matter is trivialised and "normalised" for want of a better phrase. The problem with that is in that umbrella you have those groups based on sexual preference and those based on gender identity and they're two completely different things.

With this sort of thing I compare it to having a weed in your garden in which your instant solution to the issue is to simply cut the grass every fortnight but all you're doing is removing the head of the weed - you aint dealing with the root cause of the problem hence why rates of suicide, suicide attempts and depression/anxiety are so high in the transgender community (in particular the younger trans who are still developing emotionally/mentally).

Until we as a society stop trivialising this subject more and more young boys and girls are going to struggle with themselves because we don't try understand the root cause of their struggles.

The far left think they're helping these people but they are not - look at that trans comedian whipping his tally wacker oot on live television - if I or you did that we'll have been banged up man ! Even a biological woman would have gotten in hot water for flashing her gash (especially if she had a northern accent) yet those in the media and certain groups of the Left find it "hilarious" "empowering" and have essentially tried to turn trans into some fetishism/circus and its morally wrong imo.

If you're a centrist, then im Adolf Hitler.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

If you're a centrist, then im Adolf Hitler.

He’s a parody of a parody. Is completely lost in his forum persona now. He has gone full Danny Dyer. I would weep for him but he’s already dead

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'm just stunned at the revelation that mowing the lawn is so dangerous.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I would imagine this girl in question was being bullied / felt ostracised prior to her becoming trans (im not arguing that now being trans the level of bullying hasn't got worse).

The problem in society on this subject my friend is that transgender / gender fluidity etc is incorporated in the LGBT umbrella so any discussion on the matter is trivialised and "normalised" for want of a better phrase. The problem with that is in that umbrella you have those groups based on sexual preference and those based on gender identity and they're two completely different things.

With this sort of thing I compare it to having a weed in your garden in which your instant solution to the issue is to simply cut the grass every fortnight but all you're doing is removing the head of the weed - you aint dealing with the root cause of the problem hence why rates of suicide, suicide attempts and depression/anxiety are so high in the transgender community (in particular the younger trans who are still developing emotionally/mentally).

Until we as a society stop trivialising this subject more and more young boys and girls are going to struggle with themselves because we don't try understand the root cause of their struggles.

The far left think they're helping these people but they are not - look at that trans comedian whipping his tally wacker oot on live television - if I or you did that we'll have been banged up man ! Even a biological woman would have gotten in hot water for flashing her gash (especially if she had a northern accent) yet those in the media and certain groups of the Left find it "hilarious" "empowering" and have essentially tried to turn trans into some fetishism/circus and its morally wrong imo.

Jerry Sadowitz again????

 

[verreauxi]

Bears repeating: “Far left” has absolutely no say in the trans issue. It is a phrase used by the (far) right to pretend there is some sort of balance among the sides. But “far left” is mostly anarchists, weird violent authoritarian leaders, and anti-capitalists, etc.

Human rights, such as the trans issue, is mainstream and centrist, not far left. It is divided, to be sure, but it is not a major platform of extreme socialists, anarchists, the authoritarian left, etc.





Even in the poll below, if one were talking about "far left" the graphs would be far far more skewed to dark red. But they aren't. It is far more mainstream than folks claim. And anyways the question below (on right) is poorly worded as it asks adults to impute a mental state on to children; usually, poll questions that ask things like "do you think that in doing X, person Y is likely to think that..." is not a good basis for a question. As we all have watched legal dramas on TV, this question would be categorized under the objection of "speculation" since the witness can't factually know the opinion of the individual's mindset upon which the question is based.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Here we go with the jumping to conclusions again. Are you seriously trying to say that she is somehow pre-disposed to bullying and that the anti-trans bullying wouldn't have happened otherwise? Think about what you are saying here.


I've re-read this several times now and each time it makes less and less sense. Pure stream of consciousness babble.


We don't try to understand the root cause? The subject is trivialised? On what do you base these claims on? You're literally making this up as you go along aren't you?


DARN THOSE FAR LEFT BOOGEYMEN! lol

As for the 'trans comedian' exposing themselves, I'm not sure why this is even relevant to this conversation.
Jerry Sadowitz and Louis CK have gotten themselves in hot water over the past few years as stand-up's for doing the same thing.
I'm not condoning it, but pointing to a trans person doing it and trying to make out that it somehow is representative of all trans people is frankly ridiculous.

The problem is you (and others) look at trans/gender identity in the same manner as homosexuality but its completely different and so are its origins yet we treat it the same as it falls under the LGBTQ "umbrella".

Homosexuality is a natural thing - its proven to transcend humans and is witnessed in many other species of animal. The difference when it comes to gender Identity/fluidity imo (as a scientific free thinker) is that it largely stems from human culture and the norms/values drilled into us all from an early age in society regarding gender roles.

You dont see a female peacock longing to be a male peacock - and in general terms for example "body image" you dont see a male rhino get depressed because its horn aint as big as the other males in the water hole.

We as humans have created our own societal values and for me a portion (not all or even majority) of those who go down the road of gender reassignment could have been prevented with proper support and a change in what values we hold in society (currently a lack of spirituality and the obsession with fitting in and certain desirable characteristics for a modern man/woman) but we're not allowed to investigate such things in fear of being "transphobic".

Dont get me wrong I have no issue with trans folk I can only imagine the mental struggle many must go through. If a fully developed adult who has gone through many years of support and counselling still wants to transition then all power to them I say - the issue I have is these parents/media pushing young kids down this road with little acknowledgement of how the feelings, values, mental health and self worth/identity of an average 14-18 year old tend to be radically different by the time when they're 35, 40, 50 etc.

I also dont agree with the increasing fetishism of sexualising younger trans with the big fake boobs etc by these rich old men.

 

[Goat]

The problem is you (and others) look at trans/gender identity in the same manner as homosexuality but its completely different and so are its origins yet we treat it the same as it falls under the LGBTQ "umbrella".

Homosexuality is a natural thing - its proven to transcend humans and is witnessed in many other species of animal. The difference when it comes to gender Identity/fluidity imo (as a scientific free thinker) is that it largely stems from human culture and the norms/values drilled into us all from an early age in society regarding gender roles.

You dont see a female peacock longing to be a male peacock - and in general terms for example "body image" you dont see a male rhino get depressed because its horn aint as big as the other males in the water hole.

I got as far as here.

What a clown.

Maybe we could ask Ace Ventura to ask the animals?

 

[verreauxi]

Currently awaiting for some kick-ass hot-takes from GOT's very own in-house embarrassment who is an expert on Russian literature and being a fainéant.

 

[Charro]

I love this thread.

 

[Goat]

I cant believe somebody typed the words "You dont see a female peacock longing to be a male peacock" and thought people would not think they were utterly insane.

 

[Oddball]

I hearby call Oddball out as a Koppite. Claiming victim status and not acknowledging his fault, words or actions.

He's also simultaneously outlining his MO here: framing, albeit in a very cackhanded way.

First, claiming posters support paedophiles and sex offenders.

Second, claiming I trolled him in the Liverpool murders thread.

He's like a serial killer trying to bait police to show how 'smart' they are. Except he's not. Just loves the attention. And the only thing he's killed is a cat.

We see you. Oh yes, we see you.

??? 2 things straight off, you admitted trolling me when i called you out on it- you called me a snitch and said "what about you trolling in the Arbery discussion" -Get over it pig.
"we see you"- ? is that the cosy little sewing circle of NPCs you`re talking about? You haven`t got a clue! You`re all Boris Johnson fan-boys who don`t even know that your beloved political system is turned upside down and it`s taking you for the ride of your life. Mugs.
You`re a pig, you trolled me in the Liverpool murders thread, i know it and you know it. You hated it when i sussed you out, pig.
As for the rest of your effort of a post, gas-lighters gonna gaslight

 

[Goat]

And here we go.

 

[Oddball]

I love this thread.

? we gonna do The Shining then?
Any thoughts on it other than "it`s over-rated"?