davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You know nothing about 'what I wanted'.
PMSL at this intervention.
Why dont you go and find the posts where I said I want Moyes sacked for getting 6th place?
Another blowhard enters the fray with zero evidence.
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PMSL at this intervention.
Why dont you go and find the posts where I said I want Moyes sacked for getting 6th place?
Another blowhard enters the fray with zero evidence.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Barring the EL campaign this season has been a total disaster.
Which is particularly gauling given that we all were eulogising about how the current squad was the best we'd had in living memory.
We came into it undercooked, I think even the most ardent Martinez fan would have to admit that, and he must take full responsibility for that.
In addition, tactically he's been largely one dimensional and insisted on sticking the same square pegs in the same round holes over and over again, and for this he must also take full responsbility.
The stories about his lack of defensive drills particularly the lack of set piece practice, were shocking tbh and the fact that we've been shipping goals from set plays shouldn't therefore come as a great shock, and for that he must also take full responsibility.
He's made mistakes this season - plenty of them. However that's not what's made me doubt him, it's the lack of learning from them that I find more than irritating and his constant harping on about his football philosophy when we've been getting gubbed every other week.
For me it boils down to the man's mentality. He's obsessed with playing the game in a certain way and won't deviate, even when it's simply not working. Even that donk across the park has eventually sacked off his preferred formation and stumbled across one that is now working for them. Martinez has no intention of changing and even less of putting results before his precious tiki taka.
Which is particularly gauling given that we all were eulogising about how the current squad was the best we'd had in living memory.
We came into it undercooked, I think even the most ardent Martinez fan would have to admit that, and he must take full responsibility for that.
In addition, tactically he's been largely one dimensional and insisted on sticking the same square pegs in the same round holes over and over again, and for this he must also take full responsbility.
The stories about his lack of defensive drills particularly the lack of set piece practice, were shocking tbh and the fact that we've been shipping goals from set plays shouldn't therefore come as a great shock, and for that he must also take full responsibility.
He's made mistakes this season - plenty of them. However that's not what's made me doubt him, it's the lack of learning from them that I find more than irritating and his constant harping on about his football philosophy when we've been getting gubbed every other week.
For me it boils down to the man's mentality. He's obsessed with playing the game in a certain way and won't deviate, even when it's simply not working. Even that donk across the park has eventually sacked off his preferred formation and stumbled across one that is now working for them. Martinez has no intention of changing and even less of putting results before his precious tiki taka.
YAWN last season was last season, it's gone let it go you mad man
Errr you tried this a couple of weeks ago about saying I wanted him out last year but failed to provide any proof to the matter, I presume you've found some??? Oh of course you haven't because you're a bit of a LIAR
Yes, I had my opinion like everyone else, but that was proven with the fact that he took a club down. But I'm watching this season is in fact a replica of that side he took down, boring, slow paced and predictable.
You're credibility on general football is zero; plotters, jags and Distin, Moyes old guard rebelling; the only common denominator in our decline this season is the manager.
If reality doesn't match daves world it's a lie and everyone is wrong. Your mental attitude last year about the RS is quite similar to this, refusing to accept reality until it bites you on the arse.
The man has made a total hash of this season, tactics, pre season, formations, substitutions, selections the lot has been wrong on more than one occasion. Square pegs round holes
Dithering Dougie
Banned
I do like Moyes but those runs show there's no way Martinez is getting the sack like some people wish for, we've been here before and thankfully the board don't panic.
Last season people who didn't want Martinez quickly disappeared into the shadows as we played some great football and staved off their predicted forth coming apocalypse, this season they couldn't be quicker out of the blocks trying to stir up discontent without assessing the situation fully.
It find it very odd how some seem to be taking a smug attitude about our form as they long to say "I told you so".
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You didn't want Martinez as manager
You criticised him in his record breaking first season
You seized on every reversal this season to call for his sacking
I think that's you just about done.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Just answer the question. How long would you allow this current form to continue????
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spot on.
Disloyalty and fickleness - a nauseating couple of things to observe.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
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I haven't got the detail you asked for because it's not there...and even if it was there I cant be arsed getting it
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Moyes = seven seasons with atrocious slumps.
Thems the apples you'd like to sidestep.
Only matters where you finish and what you learn from those slumps.
Martinez has to be good now, or we are in trouble.
Time will tell. No matter how many slumps a manager has, how they cope with them, and turn them into wins define the quality of a manager in these circumstances. Moyes was poor at learning how to get going, but learnt quickly how to finish the league strongly.
Martinez has yet to be tested by this with us until now.
So far he is well on for a worse slump than DM had in all 11 years.. in just his second season. You talk about how ropey we could be under Moyes.. under him, we finished below our current league position once.
Im with you in that I think he will turn it around, but your amusing interpretation of facts, is a poor and very transparent attempt to show this nightmare season in a positive light whilst taking a swipe at Moyes.
That facts are simple. Martinez is currently a few games away from a worse run in his second season than Moyes had at any point over his 11 year reign..
But his shoes are brown.. this is important.. so we will be fine.
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ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
What a dope you are, you claim that the ones who want him out are the ones who never wanted him and yet you call them disloyal to him, that makes no sense
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Right back at you. I asked you in the first place how long you would let this go on and 4 yes FOUR post later you still haven't answered with anything other than sarcasm, yet I'm the one without the detail. HAHAHA, you know nothing kid.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yes, we finished below 12th once...in 17th position in his second season. Not a great argument for presenting Moyes' in vis-a-vis Martinez this season I wouldn't have thought.
The difference between the two managers concerning a slide is perception and is THE most important one to make. Because Moyes followed on from that clown shoes Smith who no one wanted around anymore he was given a lot of track to run down before people started bleating. Martinez doesn;t have that comfort. There are a a lot of people around who would see that ginger tvvat back here in a heartbeat and therefore Martinez's slide becomes a crisis far quicker than anything Moyes had to face.
Dithering Dougie
Banned
What was your opinion of him last season?
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