Would a new owner...?

[sexualchocolate]

Oh dear. This happens almost every year without fail. Usually about this time as well.


A lot of you have very selective memories. There have been prolongued periods of times where we've played very well under Moyes, and picked up good results. I can't remember too many people complaining back then.


For christ sakes, it's not sodding Moyes who goes out and plays. It's the players. Football is very much a confidence game, and it's something that's been missing for the best part of 2 years now. You feel confident, you go out and you play well, and play good football. This dross we're serving up is because the players aren't attempting and pulling off stuff they were a couple of years back.

I agree, sometimes he does baffle me with his team selections. But a lot of the time even if I dont agree with him, I do sort of see where he's coming from, or what he's trying to do.

And for christ sake, you can hardly blame him for re-signing McFadden. We need players, even if by re-signing him, we are effectively admitting to ourselves that we're small-time. That's not Moyes' fault. Blame the board.

So yeahh, though he's nowhere near perfect, he's probably the best we can hope for. And you can't just write off what he's done for us in the past, then use past examples of his failings to beat him with.

If we're still ****e in a couple of months time, then maybe i'll worry. But for now (and I never say this) In Moyes I trust.

I based my post earlier based on Moyes's entire time in charge, I wasn't posting just cos we're in the mire at the moment, as for the selective memories chestnut which gets thrown up every 5 minutes, what about your selective memory when it comes to our annual starting the season 3 months late, that gets forgetten about very quickly when we start to pick up results in january.

As for blaming the players, they're told how to play by the manager so that does have a big impact in how they actually play. Biggest influence on the result of the game is the players who are picked and the formation applied, which is completely down to the manager, this season alone the negative approach to both the QPR and City games along with the Neville/Cahill substitution at the weekend are inexcusable decisions.

 

[best little spaniard]

I based my post earlier based on Moyes's entire time in charge, I wasn't posting just cos we're in the mire at the moment, as for the selective memories chestnut which gets thrown up every 5 minutes, what about your selective memory when it comes to our annual starting the season 3 months late, that gets forgetten about very quickly when we start to pick up results in january.

As for blaming the players, they're told how to play by the manager so that does have a big impact in how they actually play. Biggest influence on the result of the game is the players who are picked and the formation applied, which is completely down to the manager, this season alone the negative approach to both the QPR and City games along with the Neville/Cahill substitution at the weekend are inexcusable decisions.

Ever played football?

I know we always have **** starts. Annoys me to hell. But then you can't ignore the awesome second halves of seasons can you?


And I said, he doesn't get his selections right all the time. He set up in a way against city that meant we wouldn't get dry bummed, although QPR was a farce.

And sometimes, just sometimes, throwing on naturally more attacking players doesn't necessarily you might be more attacking. Put on a defensive mid, and it means the rest of your midfield and full backs have more license to get forward. It's called tactics. It doesn't always work, but hell, a lot of the time it does. And i'm fairly sure Moyes knows a lot more about it than you.

 

[zero]

We can't really write off our **** starts as, it's just something Everton do, we only really turn up for the second half of a season. It really is unacceptable that we start the season in this manner every year. I personally believe the **** starts are down to Moyes. I remember reading a Phil Neville quote on here not so long ago. Saying his pre-seasons at Everton are the toughest ones he's ever done. We're left looking half a pace behind the rest of the premiership and that happens every season.

I'm not in the Moyes out camp, I really rate him as a manager and doubt anyone could do, or even want the job with the amount of money Moyes gets to spend. But the buck stops with him over these starts every year.

 

[BLUES1]

Ever played football?

I know we always have **** starts. Annoys me to hell. But then you can't ignore the awesome second halves of seasons can you?


And I said, he doesn't get his selections right all the time. He set up in a way against city that meant we wouldn't get dry bummed, although QPR was a farce.

And sometimes, just sometimes, throwing on naturally more attacking players doesn't necessarily you might be more attacking. Put on a defensive mid, and it means the rest of your midfield and full backs have more license to get forward. It's called tactics. It doesn't always work, but hell, a lot of the time it does. And i'm fairly sure Moyes knows a lot more about it than you.

Couldn't put it any better than that myself. Good post!

 

[Silas]

I knew owner would expect Moyes to bring success. I strongly believe if he had a decent transfer fund he could do so. The increased pressure would also give him more impetus and a new lease of life. I hope he is around to see a new owner but I doubt he will be.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I knew owner would expect Moyes to bring success. I strongly believe if he had a decent transfer fund he could do so. The increased pressure would also give him more impetus and a new lease of life. I hope he is around to see a new owner but I doubt he will be.

Moyes seems based around loyalty...the players he "knows", and did well for him 3 years ago, get picked. To some extent it's a weakness, well remember Kendall ditching John Bailey for Van Den Hauwe without a second thought.

I reckon he applies that loyalty to Kenwright. Sad fact is Bill will ditch him when he needs a scapegoat/to gain favour with the fans.

 

[andrewkgsmith]

Moyes seems based around loyalty...the players he "knows", and did well for him 3 years ago, get picked. To some extent it's a weakness, well remember Kendall ditching John Bailey for Van Den Hauwe without a second thought.

I reckon he applies that loyalty to Kenwright. Sad fact is Bill will ditch him when he needs a scapegoat/to gain favour with the fans.

Because Bill hasn't needed one for ages at all, obviously, everybody loves him at the minute.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Because Bill hasn't needed one for ages at all, obviously, everybody loves him at the minute.

No, "because" a scapegoat can only be one when the majority of fans are on his case.

If Kenwright ditched Moyes now he'd get more stick than praise. If we continue to meander along with this boring style of ****e football, picking up one or two points in six etc, Kenwright will then act when it gains him maximum favour and distraction from his own ****ing pitiful shortcomings.

 

[andrewkgsmith]

No, "because" a scapegoat can only be one when the majority of fans are on his case.

If Kenwright ditched Moyes now he'd get more stick than praise. If we continue to meander along with this boring style of ****e football, picking up one or two points in six etc, Kenwright will then act when it gains him maximum favour and distraction from his own ****ing pitiful shortcomings.

Give us a call when it happens lad, I'm sure it will.

 

[Papa Shango]

Ever played football?

I know we always have **** starts. Annoys me to hell. But then you can't ignore the awesome second halves of seasons can you?


And I said, he doesn't get his selections right all the time. He set up in a way against city that meant we wouldn't get dry bummed, although QPR was a farce.

And sometimes, just sometimes, throwing on naturally more attacking players doesn't necessarily you might be more attacking. Put on a defensive mid, and it means the rest of your midfield and full backs have more license to get forward. It's called tactics. It doesn't always work, but hell, a lot of the time it does. And i'm fairly sure Moyes knows a lot more about it than you.

He set us up like that against City because he is negative and seemingly has no faith in his players anymore. Im not surprised with our poor run when he keeps coming out with stupid demoralizing comments week in week out.

Im really not sure that tactics are Moyes strong point or that he knows more about them than the average person. Especially in an attacking manner. An idiot can figure out that playing Tim Cahill up front isolated alone is a ridiculous idea as not only can he not play that role (which is a highly specialized position) it also negated the only counter attacking option we had by having him play back to goal all game.

I can understand you being annoyed at people with selective memories as you put it, however it is worrying me just how many people are burying their head and pretending everything is OK. Make no mistake about it, we are in a bad way right now. A defence who cant keep a clean sheet, a strike force who cant score and a midfield that doesnt seem to know what to do role wise half the time.

Basically he has done a good job for us, very good infact, but right now he is making a hash of it. Will it change? Maybe. But he deserves the criticism he is getting right now as he is being his own worst enemy.

 

[Summerskin]

Moyes has 180 minutes of experience in the Champions League and you think he'll go to Utd?

I could have the most efficient staff in the world but if i've never managed a shop floor before i'll go arse over tit.

 

[SteveSC]

Even in hypotetical posts and scenario posts moyes can't do any right.

We cannot know for certain or even wildly suggest what any new owner would do because of three reasons.

1. Kenwrong will never sell.
2. Moyes has never had an abundance of cash to spend
3. New owners generally give the current manager a go especially if they are well respected in the football community which moyes is.

Yes we are all frustrated and yes we want change but saying moyes is terrible or rubbish is a bit harsh, for what he has done in his stint here was pretty damn good hence the applause from his peers in the managerial world on numerous occasions. In saying that like everything else there is a right time for change across the board including Moyes.

Finally who cares where he would go if he left? What a tired old arguement...

Therefore for now lets just support what we have and leave the mystic meg stuff alone.

 

[ODM]

If, and that's a huge if, we get taken over, I hope they do it very quietly and efficiently so no one's guard is up when we suddenly go on a spending spree, tossing 100 millions of pounds left and right!

I don't believe in spending over the top a la Citeh and the other 'pool.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Give us a call when it happens lad, I'm sure it will.

No problem, I reckon it will too.