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[hullefc]

And the irony of you supporting a team with the song "and if you know your history" is hopefully not lost on anyone.

I'm not saying the Isrealis are 100% in the right at all. No chance. But I've read enough of Middle Eastern history to know it's not black and white and to suggest otherwise is ignorant in the extreme

Like I wrote it is simple. Palestinian properties and lands were stolen and the owners were forced by the point of a bayonet to leave their land and property and were expelled from their land. Easy really, if you know your history. A bit like those Greek Cypriots whose property and lands were taken by the Turkish army and they were forced to move somewhere else.

The ownership of land plays an important part in a countries make up and the person that owns and tills it would feel aggrieved if it was taken away from them. A bit like someone that owns a house and a person knocks on the door and points a gun at them and says ' clear off this is now mine'. From Native Americans to Aborigines land theft has played an active role in their sense of injustice. Land confiscations in Ireland led to centuries of injustice.

Simple. All those that were forcible removed from Palestine and their land and property stolen off them should return and be able to claim it back. Easy, if you know your history.

 

[edge]

Edge, As I've said before I agree we should have no involvment with other country whatsoever. That includes political asylum and foreign aid as both could be classed as interference. I'm no fan of ANY of our politicians but for people to say that you could class them as terrorists is madness. Mercenarys maybe but, terrorists come on!

i was saying i thought he was making out the uk by his post as as bad as a terrorist, not that i thought that, i am just open in my veiw that as far as im concerned the world can get on with looking after it own problems , we are dammed if we help, dammed if we dont, only one of those options dosnt cost the uk any lives or money so its harsh but sort themselfs out.

 

[Joao Moutinho]

i was saying i thought he was making out the uk by his post as as bad as a terrorist, not that i thought that, i am just open in my veiw that as far as im concerned the world can get on with looking after it own problems , we are dammed if we help, dammed if we dont, only one of those options dosnt cost the uk any lives or money so its harsh but sort themselfs out.

everyone needs to help each other, if the UK was hit by a severe national disaster or something we'd want others to help us, give and take

 

[carlos21]

i was saying i thought he was making out the uk by his post as as bad as a terrorist, not that i thought that, i am just open in my veiw that as far as im concerned the world can get on with looking after it own problems , we are dammed if we help, dammed if we dont, only one of those options dosnt cost the uk any lives or money so its harsh but sort themselfs out.

good post that how are you today.

 

[hullefc]

Hullefc, well you disagree with most intellectuals on that! Regardless how the problem started and who was ORIGINALLY to blame, you may have noticed that many, MANY thing have happened and changed on both sides since then. Again it is a VERY complex problem and not one to be disciribed as easy.

The 'problem' 'started' somewhere and in the case of Palestine, it was land and property theft by those that came to Palestine after 1945.

It is like saying that those anti colonial movements should not have done anything because 'it is a very complex problem'. And while were at it the ANC should have rolled over and done nothing except allow the Apartheid government to tickle it's belly because 'regardless how the problem started and who was originally to blame .....it is a very complex problem'.

And all those Irish people that felt injustice at what was going on should not have lifted a finger because, 'regardless how the problem started and who was originally to blame......

Whilst the British government is involved in attepting to control peoples and governments for its own, and Americans ends, then things will happen. Wherther we like it or not.

 

[edge]

good post that how are you today.

fine mate you ok

 

[Gwladysyoungestson3:16]

Ratkiller, what a shame they were sent back here since they hate it so much. If I felt I had a ligit cause to fight I'd of returned over and over and over again but I wouldn't of killed like an animal. The truth is the drugs gave them the "bottle" they neaded to do what they did! Aren't drugs banned in Islam culture?

 

[carlos21]

fine mate you ok

I am good today how are the trains.

 

[edge]

everyone needs to help each other, if the UK was hit by a severe national disaster or something we'd want others to help us, give and take

floods/famine or something yes help,wars overthrowing goverments or leaders / propping them up no

 

[edge]

I am good today how are the trains.

ok mate,i try not to talk about then ,incase inner city pops up, he would cure all the worlds ills by means of mass transit for all.

 

[carlos21]

ok mate,i try not to talk about then ,incase inner city pops up, he would cure all the worlds ills by means of mass transit for all.

sound mate.

 

[Joao Moutinho]

floods/famine or something yes help,wars overthrowing goverments or leaders / propping them up no

true that

by showing support to other countries in wars that are nothing really to do with us it gives off the impression that we are an aggressive nation

 

[Ratkiller]

Ratkiller, what a shame they were sent back here since they hate it so much. If I felt I had a ligit cause to fight I'd of returned over and over and over again but I wouldn't of killed like an animal. The truth is the drugs gave them the "bottle" they neaded to do what they did! Aren't drugs banned in Islam culture?

He will feel that he is at war with Britain and it's soldiers. That is how he and his apologists will justify it.

We give them the opportunity to take that stance with our blind support for American policies. Americans are murdering Muslims in their own countries.
Some of them are not worth shedding a tear over. Some are entirely innocent.

From blackwater in fallujah to the 16 year old in Yemen. There are countless others as well.
Murdered by coalition soldiers, drones and cruise missiles.

We really cannot take the moral high ground here.

 

[Dell Boy]

We really cannot take the moral high ground here.

Yes we bloody well can.

 

[beachy]

My grandad used to say "excessive reasonableness will be our downfall".

Didn't know what he was on about, now I understand.