Why is America so ace?

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chicoazul said:
Pretty good indication of the beer of that county if it's bars serve up piss consistently though. The beer you link isn't widely served at all mate.

I know more Canadians than most lids I know and every single one of them will tell you their beer is better than American beer. Obviously we allow for some jingoism there but as a neutral who's spent time in both places and enjoyed the beer I'm afraid America is very must inferior. And miles behind Europe when it comes to getting a decent beer.
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Drinking crap beer is a personal problem, not a national problem. I don't care what my neighbor drinks, but I won't drink it.
 

SerenityNigh said:
Drinking crap beer is a personal problem, not a national problem. I don't care what my neighbor drinks, but I won't drink it.
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The vast majority of you drink piss beer though. You can seldom handle it either.

Big USA USA fan here but calling it as I've seen it. Different cultures is all as I'm not glorifying binge drinking mate.
 
chicoazul said:
What did you think of Toronto? Love that city, it's like a jarg NYC but in a boss way.
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I know we are in a US thread but FWIW Vancouver is better than Toronto and that's a fact with which nobody would ever disagree!

chicoazul said:
Not true that you bad racist.
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Obviously he's super racist but it is (as far as I'm aware) still true that they don't let people from England etc. enter the green card lottery because they get their made-up quota filled from non-lottery immigrants (work transfers, rich retirees to Florida etc.) so that pretty much only leaves the poorer countries left for the lottery.

Steve0 said:
Only one country in the developed world has lower social mobility than the UK...guess which one. The meritocracy of America is a myth.
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That is true ... but you'll also have a much better life as "working class" in the USA than in the UK. As long as you don't get sick. Not in NYC obviously but in many states you can get a three bedroom (with a pool) and have two cars despite only pulling down a very modest wage. My standard of living right after graduating college was SO much better in the US than the UK ... it's not even close. Cheaper housing (cheaper everything pretty much) and lower taxes mean you need a lot less to live comfortably. (Not that it's all great -- the below the poverty number % in the US is staggering.) ... and yes it's true you aren't cracking the 1% any time soon anywhere but being 0.005% more likely to hit the life lottery isn't as important a factor as standard of living for the 99%.
 
chicoazul said:
The vast majority of you drink piss beer though. You can seldom handle it either.

Big USA USA fan here but calling it as I've seen it. Different cultures is all as I'm not glorifying binge drinking mate.
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the percentage of people drinking the **** beer is going down in a yearly basis being replaced by people driving the ****ing fantastic beer. craft beer sales in the US account for 20% of the market and climbing. considering 5 years ago it was about 13% I'd say that's indicative off a cultural shift in quality product.
 
njligernj said:
That is true ... but you'll also have a much better life as "working class" in the USA than in the UK. As long as you don't get sick. Not in NYC obviously but in many states you can get a three bedroom (with a pool) and have two cars despite only pulling down a very modest wage. My standard of living right after graduating college was SO much better in the US than the UK ... it's not even close. Cheaper housing (cheaper everything pretty much) and lower taxes mean you need a lot less to live comfortably. (Not that it's all great -- the below the poverty number % in the US is staggering.) ... and yes it's true you aren't cracking the 1% any time soon anywhere but being 0.005% more likely to hit the life lottery isn't as important a factor as standard of living for the 99%.
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Good comments here. What's missing in the "social mobility" discussion is that most (say, 80% or more) of Americans, live at very high standards of living on world scales. I'll dig for more data, but here compare these two comments:

A high-income economy is defined by the World Bank as a country with a gross national income per capita above USD $12,615 in 2012
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2013 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES
AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Persons in family/household Poverty guideline
For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,020 for each additional person.
1 $11,490
2 15,510
3 19,530
4 23,550
5 27,570
6 31,590
7 35,610
8 39,630
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Granted, comparing the two is difficult because the poverty threshold is a moving target (based on people per household), but it's worth noticing that the world standard for "high income" (ie, developed world) is roughly the same as the US poverty threshold. Let's get some proper perspective: when people go on about Americans "moving up to the middle class," more often than not this could be better described in world economic terms as moving from the 96 % to the 98 % of world incomes.
 

riddick said:
the percentage of people drinking the **** beer is going down in a yearly basis being replaced by people driving the ****ing fantastic beer. craft beer sales in the US account for 20% of the market and climbing. considering 5 years ago it was about 13% I'd say that's indicative off a cultural shift in quality product.
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But if you walk into pretty much any American bar and you will get served pissy American beer mate. So that's indicative of the country, that's what the foreign types are going to walk away with. If there was genuine mainstream demand for decent, and I don't even mean good but merely decent, beer then the bars would serve it. Never mind Wal-Mart.

I know there's a culture change but it's about 400 years behind Europe when it comes to it's beer. Obviously the USA makes it up in other ways but at the moment in beer evolutionary terms they're drinking grog and trying to swerve getting shot by a rogue highwayman.

SerenityNigh said:
I'm not afraid to admit my meager limits of consumption, but I'll gladly enjoy my 1-2 good brews. I leave the cases of Bud on the shelf for others and my sixer lasts most of the week.
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Good man, I can tell you have fine tastebuds. May one enquire if you're from European descent?
 
njligernj said:
That is true ... but you'll also have a much better life as "working class" in the USA than in the UK. As long as you don't get sick. Not in NYC obviously but in many states you can get a three bedroom (with a pool) and have two cars despite only pulling down a very modest wage. My standard of living right after graduating college was SO much better in the US than the UK ... it's not even close. Cheaper housing (cheaper everything pretty much) and lower taxes mean you need a lot less to live comfortably. (Not that it's all great -- the below the poverty number % in the US is staggering.) ... and yes it's true you aren't cracking the 1% any time soon anywhere but being 0.005% more likely to hit the life lottery isn't as important a factor as standard of living for the 99%.
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Firstly, lol at 'as long as you don't get sick'.

Secondly, it depends what you mean by 'working class', you've fudged the issue further with the nebulous term 'modest wage'.
However, if we take minimum wage as the definition then there is no doubt whatsoever that you'd be better off in England.

Minimum wage in america means having to take 2 or 3 jobs. Texan minimum wage is currently less than £5.
 

evilwebby said:
The Declaration of Independence & The Constitution.
Lays out the inalienable right to life and personal freedom of the individual.

It is written: "All Men Are Created Equal"
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Apart from the slaves Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and co. all "owned," of course.:mellow:
 

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