Why is America so ace?

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He'd get treated. Simple as. The fact you're even asking such a stupid question shows how weak minded and susceptible to basic propaganda you are.

Sorry.

Actually SteveO, there is a limit on how much the NHS will spend on a certain person. The amount is dependent on where exactly you live, hence the term 'postcode lottery' being mentioned sometimes when the NHS is concerned, but believe me there are some treatments which they don't consider financially viable
 

I'll add a couple thoughts here.

March Madness.

The fact that our female gene pool is made up all the hotties from every country. Count me as someone who appreciates the fact that we are a nation of immigrants.

The spirit of inventiveness and entrepeneurship. Americans are risk takers by nature. I like that.

they arent though are they? they are often people who have been chased out of their own country for crackpot beliefs.

I've been to America - even if your 'gene pool' is derived from hotties it hasn't found its way into your current populace lol. Put simply, you're an ugly bunch.
 
Actually SteveO, there is a limit on how much the NHS will spend on a certain person. The amount is dependent on where exactly you live, hence the term 'postcode lottery' being mentioned sometimes when the NHS is concerned, but believe me there are some treatments which they don't consider financially viable

Nope. Any decision to deny treatment is based on its efficacy. i.e they wouldn't treat terminal cancer with x2201028gpyz if it would only prolong life by 2 weeks.

Trust me on this, the NHS never ever refuses treatment to treatable patients. Don't add fuel to the Tory fire - it isn't helpful.

You can argue 2 weeks is better than nothing, but to me the greater 'crime' would be from the drugs companies who conscripted the patient into paying for two more overpriced zombified weeks
 
He'd get treated. Simple as. The fact you're even asking such a stupid question shows how weak minded and susceptible to basic propaganda you are.

Sorry.

What kind of attitude is that? I see someone else responded correcting you, but I had a simple, legitimate question. "Death Panels" was one of the catch phrases that people used in the US to scare people away from supporting Obama care and while I know they're purposefully being provocative in order to scare the masses, it does bring up a question that I thought someone here would answer.

It's obviously not a sustainable health care model to have unlimited spending on unlimited people and I simply wondered how the NHS, a system I have respect for, deals with the issue.
 

I not long ago had a very close friend diagnosed with terminal cancer aged 39. Despite the NHS telling him there was little they could do they put him through several courses of chemo to shrink the tumour to prolong his life, it won't be a massive amount but it was the right and humane thing to do.

It's been nailed above but the tories are vile for starting now to turn on the NHS, same as they do with everything else they turn people against each other so they can eventually get their own way and profit business before the people.

Aneurin Bevan is one of my heroes, for all his toil he deserves better than these Eton born and bred bells dismantling one of Britain's greatest 20th century achievements. Something designed to benefit everyone, not just those who have money. You can't put a price on someone's health. Thankfully for the most part we don't in this country.

Turn on most American TV and you'll get bombarded with adverts for every drug under the sun. It's big business but they're companies who have shareholders to appease. Health and wellbeing should be in the hands of the people, by electorate, rather than these corporations.

I know from a few on here who have friends and family working in the NHS the struggles it sometimes encounters, my sister works in the NHS too so I'm not fed some idealistic fairy tale view of it. But it was born out of social freedoms we won at the end of a brutal World War.

It's worth protecting, not as the tories tell you.
 
Nope. Any decision to deny treatment is based on its efficacy. i.e they wouldn't treat terminal cancer with x2201028gpyz if it would only prolong life by 2 weeks.

Trust me on this, the NHS never ever refuses treatment to treatable patients. Don't add fuel to the Tory fire - it isn't helpful.

You can argue 2 weeks is better than nothing, but to me the greater 'crime' would be from the drugs companies who conscripted the patient into paying for two more overpriced zombified weeks

I agree with you that the NHS never refuse treatment for treatable patients, however they are known to refuse to supply far more effective treatment that might cost say £100 per day in favour of less effective ones that might cost £20 per day on occasions
 
I not long ago had a very close friend diagnosed with terminal cancer aged 39. Despite the NHS telling him there was little they could do they put him through several courses of chemo to shrink the tumour to prolong his life, it won't be a massive amount but it was the right and humane thing to do.

It's been nailed above but the tories are vile for starting now to turn on the NHS, same as they do with everything else they turn people against each other so they can eventually get their own way and profit business before the people.

Aneurin Bevan is one of my heroes, for all his toil he deserves better than these Eton born and bred bells dismantling one of Britain's greatest 20th century achievements. Something designed to benefit everyone, not just those who have money. You can't put a price on someone's health. Thankfully for the most part we don't in this country.

Turn on most American TV and you'll get bombarded with adverts for every drug under the sun. It's big business but they're companies who have shareholders to appease. Health and wellbeing should be in the hands of the people, by electorate, rather than these corporations.

I know from a few on here who have friends and family working in the NHS the struggles it sometimes encounters, my sister works in the NHS too so I'm not fed some idealistic fairy tale view of it. But it was born out of social freedoms we won at the end of a brutal World War.

It's worth protecting, not as the tories tell you.

Well said Chico, my thoughts exactly but said far more succinctly than i ever could
 
I'm sorry to have brought it up, it seems to be a more controversial subject than I thought...I am not criticizing the NHS at all...the system in the US currently is HORRIBLE. Seriously, if you are uninsured and need health care in the States, you get to wait in the emergency room behind the other uninsured or you just refuse to pay your bill and declare bankruptcy. Or pay, but if you could pay, you'd have insurance in the first place. The whole system really does stink.

I've had about 3 Caipirinhas tonight since the little lady brought a bottle of that cachasa back from Brazil and I'm feeling a little salty.

I should be talking to Carlos about his springer spaniel. I had one as a child and it bit children twice, so dad sent it on its way to Valhalla to live with the other dogs that were more for battle and less for the gentile pleasures in life.
 
America, you are fat, loud, ignorant, arrogant and stupid. You have stupid accents and you never seem to use the letter u.
Your sport is crap, you don't understand irony, you have no subtlety and think that violence is the answer to most problems.

Oh, and one other thing - if you go to Scotland, wearing a tartan bonnet and trousers will not help you blend in.

I know that is a broad generalisation, apologies to the 2% it doesn't apply to b)
 

America, you are fat, loud, ignorant, arrogant and stupid. You have stupid accents and you never seem to use the letter u.
Your sport is crap, you don't understand irony, you have no subtlety and think that violence is the answer to most problems.

Oh, and one other thing - if you go to Scotland, wearing a tartan bonnet and trousers will not help you blend in.

I know that is a broad generalisation, apologies to the 2% it doesn't apply to b)

I see you mentioned both ignorant and irony there sir
 
First off..nothing is free. You pay for NHS one way or another.

There is no doubt that our (US) system is f'd up. I'm a libertarian that believes in small government and even I can see that.

Question for you English. In the US, one of the rights panic button disagreements with Obamacare is the dreaded "Death Panel." How is your system set up to deal with this? I'll give an example:

If an 80 year old man is experiencing a life threatening illness that has a cure, but that cure will cost, say 5 million, who makes the call whether or not he gets treated? Is there some council of medical ethicists that determines treatment? If, in the future, someone can be kept alive indefinitely by whatever mechanism but at a great cost, who makes the decision to "cut the cord" so to speak?

I'm not asking these hypotheticals in order to undermine what you have, I genuinely would like to know how you deal with the ethics of cost and the burden on society.

You realise that healthare "insurance" companies in the USA have a maximum cost of coverage, don't you?
 

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