Where will the club be in 5 years time. I see no strategy.

[Kay20]

Boy I hope someone with vision is thinking about this at the club. With what everyone reports out of Liverpool, don't exactly get much confidence from you guys on this subject...

 

[kenada_blue]

Theres been no strategy since kirkby fell through.

The plan is to keep a float, sell youth players if we get a good fee, and live off TV money

 

[billycopper]

Wages are in an upward direction; commercially we dont perform well. That's a recipe for disaster. It's managed decline. If that's 'the plan' it's successful, I suppose.

Covered the first part already. Elstone would disagree with you and say that gates are up by 3000 per match on average this season, that we've received more from being televised so often and that we're continually developing lucrative commercial partnerships.

It hasn't been finances, it's been a lack of leadership. The craving for control has cost us one stadium, and the stupidity of pursuing a pie-in-the-sky scheme later robbed us of 4 years of time to find a better, more feasible, project at a time when the window of opportunity for a private/public partnership still existed. Now we're stuck in a holding pattern for God knows how long until there's movement on the stadium front.

What's done is done.

merely recycled the Johnson cash for Fellaini. No heroics or ultimatums to the board.

We reportedly received £10.5m on Johnson and spent £15m on Fellaini, breaking our club transfer record by more than £3.5m. We also signed Pienaar permanently. When have we seen transfer activity like that before? Never. Coincidence?

I was just making the point that the plan on that front was just what all other clubs do anyway. Nothing more than that.

Any club that spends big either has an owner with deep pockets or they're spending income that they haven't yet earned. If anything is a recipe for disaster that is.

Go to the transfer period prior to that when we were selling players in a firesale environment and running down the squad. In other words, the situation at Everton doesn't lend itself to evolution like you'd like it to do as the basis for a plan.

Are you talking about when we sold Arteta and Yakubu? It seems like we were being pressured by the bank at that time to reduce our overdraft. The situation since then has seemed to be that we've sold Bily to bring in Jelavic, Gibson and Pienaar and then Rodwell to fund Mirallas and Oviedo. We've definitely improved on both occasions. If we've got something like £15m coming in this summer from tv money and Heitinga's likely departure then there's a lot we can do without having to sell anybody else.

 

[billycopper]

Boy I hope someone with vision is thinking about this at the club. With what everyone reports out of Liverpool, don't exactly get much confidence from you guys on this subject...

You mean the ground subject, Kay? I think it's something that rumbles on in the background but we'd need somebody to pay for it and I don't think there are too many volunteers.

 

[kenada_blue]

Covered the first part already. Elstone would disagree with you and say that gates are up by 3000 per match on average this season, that we've received more from being televised so often and that we're continually developing lucrative commercial partnerships.



What's done is done.




We reportedly received £10.5m on Johnson and spent £15m on Fellaini, breaking our club transfer record by more than £3.5m. We also signed Pienaar permanently. When have we seen transfer activity like that before? Never. Coincidence?




Any club that spends big either has an owner with deep pockets or they're spending income that they haven't yet earned. If anything is a recipe for disaster that is.



Are you talking about when we sold Arteta and Yakubu? It seems like we were being pressured by the bank at that time to reduce our overdraft. The situation since then has seemed to be that we've sold Bily to bring in Jelavic, Gibson and Pienaar and then Rodwell to fund Mirallas and Oviedo. We've definitely improved on both occasions. If we've got something like £15m coming in this summer from tv money and Heitinga's likely departure then there's a lot we can do without having to sell anybody else.

Werent we paying Felli off in instalments? Also we had a good cup run that year, we we in europe, and it was the last of the Rooney money we got in.

 

[Kay20]

You mean the ground subject, Kay? I think it's something that rumbles on in the background but we'd need somebody to pay for it and I don't think there are too many volunteers.

Nah - just a 5 year business plan in general.

 

[billycopper]

Werent we paying Felli off in instalments? Also we had a good cup run that year, we we in europe, and it was the last of the Rooney money we got in.

I'd be confident in saying that Moyes wanted to see a major marquee signing before he committed to the club and that he's using the same tactic again. We were spending money at that time but £15m was a whole new level of spending. Bill will have the tv money in the summer. If we can qualify for the CL as well I think that the gaffer might want us to wrestle with Spurs for Moutinho.

 

[billycopper]

Nah - just a 5 year business plan in general.

I don't think there's a specific plan, as I don't think that's how either Moyes or Kenwright work but I think they have a strong idea of what they're working towards. It seems to me that we're fine-tuning things. There is very little dead wood in the squad and I don't think there are many players in the team that the manager would gladly replace. From his point of view, if Fellaini was to drop back in alongside Gibson and he could find a 'special' player for the hole his team would almost be complete.

The next step for us is to consistently be competing in European competition and to reach the later stages of the domestic cups on a more regular basis. We're not a million miles away from that now and it might be a blessing that it's taken some time as our squad probably couldn't have coped with it in the past.

If we can achieve that goal it will increase our profile and turnover, which will have a positive impact on other areas. We have certain limitations that are difficult to do much about, at least in the short-term, but we are doing well in so many ways.

 

[Brennan]

I don't think there's a specific plan, as I don't think that's how either Moyes or Kenwright work but I think they have a strong idea of what they're working towards. It seems to me that we're fine-tuning things. There is very little dead wood in the squad and I don't think there are many players in the team that the manager would gladly replace. From his point of view, if Fellaini was to drop back in alongside Gibson and he could find a 'special' player for the hole his team would almost be complete.

The next step for us is to consistently be competing in European competition and to reach the later stages of the domestic cups on a more regular basis. We're not a million miles away from that now and it might be a blessing that it's taken some time as our squad probably couldn't have coped with it in the past.

If we can achieve that goal it will increase our profile and turnover, which will have a positive impact on other areas. We have certain limitations that are difficult to do much about, at least in the short-term, but we are doing well in so many ways.

Kenwright has been working towards the same thing for years. Selling the club for way more than he paid for it.

 

[Azzurri]

I hate all this stuff.

 

[toffeejack]

I hate all this stuff.

hah same, just thought i'd pop in - bad idea. ****ing hate Kenwright and that is all i will add to this thread.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

In the same situation I would wager.

 

[davek]

Covered the first part already. Elstone would disagree with you and say that gates are up by 3000 per match on average this season, that we've received more from being televised so often and that we're continually developing lucrative commercial partnerships.



What's done is done.




We reportedly received £10.5m on Johnson and spent £15m on Fellaini, breaking our club transfer record by more than £3.5m. We also signed Pienaar permanently. When have we seen transfer activity like that before? Never. Coincidence?




Any club that spends big either has an owner with deep pockets or they're spending income that they haven't yet earned. If anything is a recipe for disaster that is.



Are you talking about when we sold Arteta and Yakubu? It seems like we were being pressured by the bank at that time to reduce our overdraft. The situation since then has seemed to be that we've sold Bily to bring in Jelavic, Gibson and Pienaar and then Rodwell to fund Mirallas and Oviedo. We've definitely improved on both occasions. If we've got something like £15m coming in this summer from tv money and Heitinga's likely departure then there's a lot we can do without having to sell anybody else.

That's not much by way of a rebuttal, to be fair.

 

[edge]

same old everton i expect, one step forward one back, it will depend on moyes if he gets fed up putting a jigsaw together but always missing the final few peices and leaves, we are left hoping the next manager is the right man for the job, if not we will be in it deep, we cant afford to buy are way out of trouble, so i think that it will depend on who is in charge of the team in five years, off the pitch it will be no trophys ,24/7 twenty year search for a buyer, goodison to get a lick of paint, ground hog day

 

[D410]

same old everton i expect, one step forward one back, it will depend on moyes if he gets fed up putting a jigsaw together but always missing the final few peices and leaves, we are left hoping the next manager is the right man for the job, if not we will be in it deep, we cant afford to buy are way out of trouble, so i think that it will depend on who is in charge of the team in five years, off the pitch it will be no trophys ,24/7 twenty year search for a buyer, goodison to get a lick of paint, ground hog day

could,nt agree more.