Where will the club be in 5 years time. I see no strategy.

[Fearthainn]

Just need to hang on until the big spenders do a Leeds and then go for a title challenge.

 

[Eggs]

None of us know the ins and outs of our circumstances. If we were a fan-run club though, what would we do differently, if anything?

....I suppose Bill would say we are a fan run club, but I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Whether it be fans or businessmen we need somebody with the financial intellect to strategically position us and I fear we haven't got that at the moment. The team is fine but our overall position is precarious. We clearly need investment but I feel this board are not making the right long-term decisions.

 

[Everton Bulgaria]

....I suppose Bill would say we are a fan run club, but I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Whether it be fans or businessmen we need somebody with the financial intellect to strategically position us and I fear we haven't got that at the moment. The team is fine but our overall position is precarious. We clearly need investment but I feel this board are not making the right long-term decisions.

You`re abso****inglotely right ! B.K OUT !

 

[MartSlinger]

well we are paying moyes a ton of cash so if he leaves im sure that would entice someone decent

Dont buy that argument at all. Also Moyes wouldnt of been on 65k the moment he signed for EFC so the board obviously valued him at 65k and why would be turn that down? Feel his wage gets used as a tool to beat him with when he was the one who got offered it. Would YOU turn down 65k a week? No you wouldnt.

 

[billycopper]

....I suppose Bill would say we are a fan run club, but I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Whether it be fans or businessmen we need somebody with the financial intellect to strategically position us and I fear we haven't got that at the moment. The team is fine but our overall position is precarious. We clearly need investment but I feel this board are not making the right long-term decisions.

I've just found out that the Swansea fans own 20% of the club...interesting. Anyway without going ground that has been well and truly covered on these forums, if I was in Kenwright's position I don't think I would do too much differently. I'd be very wary of handing the club over to just anyone. It's difficult to think of many multi-millionaires who have successfully and prudently ran their club. And nobody with any common sense is going to want to invest in a business that loses millions every year without any sign of turning it round.

I think we're making good progress in most regards but treading water financially, if that. What options are there available? The fans won't let Bill sell important players and they won't let him move the ground, even if he could find a suitable option. I imagine that the plan is to chip away at the debt and develop the squad through clever trading and to hope that success on the pitch brings in extra funds. It would seem to be a drip-drip process though unless we receive some kind of windfall.

 

[billycopper]

Just need to hang on until the big spenders do a Leeds and then go for a title challenge.

It's got to end in disaster, hasn't it? Just keep on plugging away and let the others self-destruct.

 

[bluedusty]

Unless we get permission and actively look to re develop or move stadium then I don't think much will change. We need the plans in place to get the investment Bill wants. How many clubs have had decent investment without a new ground being in place?
I think Moyes would have moved on but not sure his style of football will get him the job he wants even though we have played some excellent stuff this season.
Players will come and go and we will remain a feeder club for bigger (Financial) teams which is a shame because with the backing we could be close.

 

[billycopper]

I imagine that there will be no plans for a new stadium until the global economic situation improves. It would seem like the plots that the council would be willing to offer us aren't acceptable anyway and that we're looking for a site of our own which we're hoping they let us have.

Outside of the club I think that Moyes' brand of football is perceived as being attractive and that anything more direct was because of the limited resources he had to work with. I don't think that Spurs or Villa would be big enough for him to consider leaving us. I still think he'll get the United job but it could be difficult for him to turn down a European giant.

We're not a million miles away. As Peter Reid has said during the week we probably should have had another 10 points and then we would be right up there with City. Even if we had fortunes to spend I don't think that there are many players that Moyes would want to replace. He would just like more options in the squad and that bit of magic that the big clubs are able to afford.

 

[Eggs]

I've just found out that the Swansea fans own 20% of the club...interesting. Anyway without going ground that has been well and truly covered on these forums, if I was in Kenwright's position I don't think I would do too much differently. I'd be very wary of handing the club over to just anyone. It's difficult to think of many multi-millionaires who have successfully and prudently ran their club. And nobody with any common sense is going to want to invest in a business that loses millions every year without any sign of turning it round.

I think we're making good progress in most regards but treading water financially, if that. What options are there available? The fans won't let Bill sell important players and they won't let him move the ground, even if he could find a suitable option. I imagine that the plan is to chip away at the debt and develop the squad through clever trading and to hope that success on the pitch brings in extra funds. It would seem to be a drip-drip process though unless we receive some kind of windfall.

....it's a really difficult one because you are right in being cautious of investment. Look what the Chuckle Bros did over the park and the Chicken family did at Blackburn. My concerns are that the current board haven't made the right strategic decisions. It's ok that they hold out for the right deal, but I worry that they are making it increasingly difficult for the right investors to see us as an attractive proposition.

 

[davek]

Wages- We've shedded the wages of Yobo, Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Rodwell, Saha, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford and Vaughan in the last couple of seasons. At worst I would imagine that our wage bill has stayed roughly the same. We have a small squad with very few high earners, so it is well-managed.

How is going from 65% of turnover devoted to wages to 75% (when the CEO's 'plan' was to reduce it below 65%) managing this well?

Ground- If we can believe the board their are both short-term and long-term plans in place to deal with the ground issue. Ideally we need a suitable site and a commercial partner if we are to move. I can imagine that it is a drawn out process and that the council could be more helpful.

Oh boy, where d'you start with this one?! The board have been in place for 13 years and screwed up two stadium schemes and have alienated the local authorities along the way - authorities (the one's you claim that could do more) who have tried to get Everton into the KD and during DK presented a number of alternative stadium schemes to the owners...which they turned down flat.

Unbelievable.

Moyes- The manager is dragging it out as a bargaining chip to get Kenwright to commit to spending a large proportion of the tv money in the summer in my opinion. Davey will get his way and we'll all benefit.

Yeah. Of course he is. Because that sounds like what Moyes would do on the decade's worth of evidence we have of him, doesn't it? !!!

Players- Distin and Neville probably both have another year left in them. They push the average age of the squad up significantly. Jags, Pienaar, Howard and Osman are probably in their peak now. We then have a raft of players including Coleman, Baines, Fellaini, Gibson, Mirallas, Jelavic, Oviedo, Anichebe and Naismith with their best years still ahead of them. And beyond that we have an exciting crop of youngsters such as Duffy, Garbutt, Barkley, Vellios and Gueye. Not forgetting youth players like Hope and Green.

So the 'plan' on the player front is to see the squad replenished after natural wastage.

We don't need a revolution. If we can improve each year in small, incremental steps we will be doing very well. Hopefully the extra cash in the summer will allow us to purchase some quality to support Jelavic. If we can add one or two more to flesh out the squad and bring some of the younger players through we will have improved yet again.

We've been here before, remember? The original 'plan' a decade ago was to bring in a couple of quality players each season and retain our best players. The trouble is, when you have a house built on shifting sand it's hard for that to take root. And in any case, in a world where our competitors are capable of generating money and spending it, incremental improvement would see uis barely standing still. The evolution you seek sees Everton treading water...safely in the PL...which is, of course, the real plan for the owners until they can find a gang of mugs to give them 4/5x the share price they paid.

 

[electricblue]

Not Kirkby thank fook. The board can never be forgiven for attemping to railroad that particular scam through.

 

[Username]

I wish i lived in a slightly different altinate universe where we had got the Kings Dock offer and took it.

 

[billycopper]

How is going from 65% of turnover devoted to wages to 75% (when the CEO's 'plan' was to reduce it below 65%) managing this well?

We're not out of control like QPR. We've moved a lot of top earners on. The books are always 18 months behind. I'm sure that more the accounts for 2012/13 will show an improvement when they're released.

Oh boy, where d'you start with this one?! The board have been in place for 13 years and screwed up two stadium schemes and have alienated the local authorities along the way - authorities (the one's you claim that could do more) who have tried to get Everton into the KD and during DK presented a number of alternative stadium schemes to the owners...which they turned down flat.

Unbelievable.

Finances are always going to be the main issue for us with a ground move. If it was that easy why have them lot across the park (who can spend) taken so long over it? Finding something affordable and suitable is a mission and a half.

Yeah. Of course he is. Because that sounds like what Moyes would do on the decade's worth of evidence we have of him, doesn't it? !!!

Moyes did exactly the same thing the last time his contract was due. We smashed our transfer record to sign Fellaini in September 2008 and Davey signed the following month.

So the 'plan' on the player front is to see the squad replenished after natural wastage.

How is our transfer policy that much different to Arsenal or Spurs?

We've been here before, remember? The original 'plan' a decade ago was to bring in a couple of quality players each season and retain our best players. The trouble is, when you have a house built on shifting sand it's hard for that to take root. And in any case, in a world where our competitors are capable of generating money and spending it, incremental improvement would see uis barely standing still. The evolution you seek sees Everton treading water...safely in the PL...which is, of course, the real plan for the owners until they can find a gang of mugs to give them 4/5x the share price they paid.

You don't think that we've improved by adding Jelavic, Gibson, Mirallas and Oviedo without losing Fellaini and Baines? It's a tough balancing act but hopefully we'll make better use of the tv money than our rivals and we can squeeze into the Champions League mix up. Then we could recycle those extra funds into more new players.

 

[billycopper]

....it's a really difficult one because you are right in being cautious of investment. Look what the Chuckle Bros did over the park and the Chicken family did at Blackburn. My concerns are that the current board haven't made the right strategic decisions. It's ok that they hold out for the right deal, but I worry that they are making it increasingly difficult for the right investors to see us as an attractive proposition.

I think the opposite is true. We're demonstrating that we can compete at the top end without needing a huge influx of cash. We play attractive football and we've got some recognisable names.

 

[davek]

We're not out of control like QPR. We've moved a lot of top earners on. The books are always 18 months behind. I'm sure that more the accounts for 2012/13 will show an improvement when they're released.

Wages are in an upward direction; commercially we dont perform well. That's a recipe for disaster. It's managed decline. If that's 'the plan' it's successful, I suppose.

Finances are always going to be the main issue for us with a ground move. If it was that easy why have them lot across the park (who can spend) taken so long over it? Finding something affordable and suitable is a mission and a half.

It hasn't been finances, it's been a lack of leadership. The craving for control has cost us one stadium, and the stupidity of pursuing a pie-in-the-sky scheme later robbed us of 4 years of time to find a better, more feasible, project at a time when the window of opportunity for a private/public partnership still existed. Now we're stuck in a holding pattern for God knows how long until there's movement on the stadium front.

Moyes did exactly the same thing the last time his contract was due. We smashed our transfer record to sign Fellaini in September 2008 and Davey signed the following month.

Moyes merely recycled the Johnson cash for Fellaini. No heroics or ultimatums to the board.

How is our transfer policy that much different to Arsenal or Spurs?

I was just making the point that the plan on that front was just what all other clubs do anyway. Nothing more than that.

You don't think that we've improved by adding Jelavic, Gibson, Mirallas and Oviedo without losing Fellaini and Baines? It's a tough balancing act but hopefully we'll make better use of the tv money than our rivals and we can squeeze into the Champions League mix up. Then we could recycle those extra funds into more new players.

Go to the transfer period prior to that when we were selling players in a firesale environment and running down the squad. In other words, the situation at Everton doesn't lend itself to evolution like you'd like it to do as the basis for a plan.