where did it go wrong

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It went wrong when other teams started to adjust how they play us and our manager was too stubborn to change
 

1. He has no plan B
2. He clearly doesn't train all phases of the game
3. He sticks to favorites and doesn't appear to know how to rotate players in and out of the side
4. His setup simultaneously isolates defenders and stymies the attack
5. He refuses to talk address these issues in clear, honest terms
 
IMO it was RMs persistence to keep playing an out of form Tim Howard, after Robles had kept three clean sheets, Tim had been injured, and on return had a nightmare never seem to have recovered even when the team were playing well losing 2-0 leads did not help confidence too many draws etc few wins - relegation form for the last 3 months!
IMO it was the first query why RM persisted in playing an out of form over the hill keeper no signing of a keeper in January either, the this 13.5 million forward who was not match fit was another mystery of his management can the new billionaire trust him with funds in the summer????
Fans now calling for him to go - I tend to now agree, as the rot set in my points above!
 
Dario Terracotta said:
Leicester away and Arsenal at home beginning of LAST season,the deficiencies in those two games have come back to haunt us time after time again.
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Interestingly many were moaning on here about them looking undercooked in pre season and that 'not quite ready' look was there for all to see in those two games. Panicky defence out of promising positions leading to needless dropped points. Fans also got a bit over anxious early on desperate for an even better season that the first to show it was not a fluke. Then Etoo, then Etoo not working out, Distin fall out, Ross being out etc etc, then Mirallas and pen fiasco. Good results in Europa in open games were positives but the good combination of solid defence with sin miedo attitude going forward was fading while talk of arguments in camp were emerging. Substitutions being made with less success...... All added up.
 

Darren Higgs said:
probably the question Roberto needs to ask him self.

I was thinking about it and its difficult to pin point a specific time. We have been poor in the league for 2 years.

in the last year Moyes was manager we played some great football with the direct ball to fellini and him bringing it down and then passing it to Osman and Piennar who had the foot balling brains to hurt the opposition. they also had Baines interplay with the 2 of them. in RM first season we had that creative trio but we upgraded the defensive midfield with Gibson and Neville gone out and replaced by Barry and McCarthy and we upgraded Anichabe with Lukaku. Mirallas was given competition from Gerry on the right hand side. Ross was often rotated with Osman to keep Ossie fresh and did give ross the exsposure he needed. the result being the best season we have had in along time.

Season 2
Piennar and Osman another year older and the injures are taking tole. Gerry has gone Home
Barkley injured before the season starts and Baines is starting to have recurring injures.
Mcgeedy is now playing instead of Piennar and we start to suffer from a lack of goals. Lukaku is found isolated in games as Mcgeedy and Mirallas cant find the bit of skill to open a team up. The opposition have wised up and have started to press our full backs in there own half and have the strikers drifting in to the space left by our fullbacks ready for the counter attack.

Ross comes back from injury and we are now playing Naismith and Ross as the No 10 and Left Winger. they both try to occupy the same space on the pitch which leaves them no where to more and make it easier for the opposition to defend. we dont have the width to stretch teams.

at the end of Jan the penny has dropped with Mcgeedy and lennon is brough in and gives us a bit more width down the right but we are now one sided.This remains the pattern for the remainder of the season with excuses of playing in the europa used to try and cover up the deficiencies

Season 3
Baines still suffering from recurring injures
Positive Gerry has come back.
we start the season Playing 8 of last seasons top 10 in the first 10 games and expectations where low. we pull off a couple of good results with the win away a Southhampton and the home game against Chelsea playing a counter attacking style.

are season then splits in to 2

away form and cup football

The Away form through and the one off cup games go well playing the same style of counter attacking football. especially in the early part of the season with Gerry providing a massive threat down the right and Kone used to hold the ball up on the left and enabling the start of many counter attacks.

Home Form

The Home form had the same problems from an attacking perspective with a serious lack of creativity leading to the crowd frustrations with the lack of penetration. an the opposition and now worked out that our defence have a mistake in them when put under pressure. the result being are worse home form in many a year.

so where did it go wrong? for me its not having replacements for Piennar and Osman. We dont have a creative spark. Ross doesn't seem to have that football intelligence and we havent had anyone playing in a creative role on the left hand side. id like to see Ross moved further back and play with a proper 3 man midfield so that he can get on the ball and run at the defence and get a shot away. in his number 10 role he isn't able to use the pitch aswell. We need some one for the left hand side that offers some creativity that can pick a pass. I think RM realized this last summer and tried to get players in such as yarmolenko but as it didnt happen we suffered for it. I wonder if it was down to funds that it didnt get pushed through. would we have been better to cash in on stones or McCarthy last summer in order to have bought the left sided player we have needed.
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He phased them out of the team and never replaced them. You can't win anything if you can't control a game. We lost our ability to do that once Pienaar and Osman went out the side.
 
The night of the storm.

If that match had gone ahead that night we would probably have beaten Palace.

They were on a bad run at that time.

By the time the fixture was re-arranged they had found some form and you know the rest.

We blew our big chance to make the CL that night....and it has been pretty much all downhill since :(

Roberto was undone by an Act of God.
 

I think there was plenty of evidence even in his first season that all was not right in the rose garden but we were happy to ignore the warning signs as we were scraping wins most weeks. Even in the games that we won, there were many when we played poorly for a good chunk of the match and then came good in the second half (the awa wins at Villa and West Ham spring to mind). The game that had the alarm bells ringing for me, after which I choose to put my fingers in my ears, close my eyes and go lalalalala, came early on in a league cup game away at Fulham. We murdered them in the first half, went in at 1-0 when it should have been 5-0 and then came out with the attitude that Fulham would be as bad second half as they were in the first. Of course they weren't, we were horribly unprepared for a fightback and a dreadful Fulham team beat us 2-1.
 
It went wrong when for some bizarre reason he opted to forgo a decent pre season after season 1, we didn't look at the races and have never recovered because there are certain aspects of training that he completely ignores. This has gradually led to the players losing respect for him.
 

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