What is up with Dele Alli?

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Regardless of whether he plays for us again, who he goes on to play for if at all, I think that much of the situation that has been created is an unfortunate outcome of ill thought out PSR punishments and the treatment of humans as monetary assets first. I don't think there can be any argument that Deles situation has been massively complicated by the whole PSR situation and creation of ridiculous contractual obligations on behalf of both clubs to ensure that money is made somewhere.

I think it's probably fair to suggest that had Dele been treated by football clubs as a human being plying a trade, rather than an asset who's value must be stripped and placed in a profit column, many of these problems he is currently facing could have been identified earlier and this ridiulous situation could have been avoided, ironically for the benefit of all.

I don't know if he's physically injured again, or whether this current strain has been more of a mental relapse, I would be surprised if anybody on here does.

What I do know though, is that the treatment of him by some fans on here as a monetary value to dumped, or simply a cost to be avoided is a disappointing one for me to see. It is maybe a reflection of the sport as it is now, where people must have, or at least pretend to have financial knowledge to predict a clubs league position or how they will set up tactically, down to whether they think a club that is proud of it's community actions should support a person affected by childhood trauma for free because of what he's earned in the past.

Dele needs to be given the space and support to do what is best for him and his recovery, in much the same way we would a recovering addict from down our own road. For the good of the human being that is presented, both clubs should drop any contractual agreement that may exist over payments or performance bonuses. If it is best for Dele to continue his recovery here, FOC, then so be it. We have an experienced team who have been lauded by past players for their support systems in situation of mental difficulties. If it is best for Dele to move on and focus on himself away from this country, then there should not be a contract that prevents him from doing so.

We need to deal with the person first. As we always should. We shouldn't be providing help in order to get favourable terms on a player who was very, very good in his hey-day (I don't personally belive that we are). We should be providing help for the single benefit of healing a soul. If they are, as I hope they are, the club facing any criticism for doing it, certainly from within our own fanbase is upsetting.

Aaron Lennon had all our support during his troubles. I don't remember many calling for him to be immediately released due to the challenges he faced, did he not earn enough for people to think that was a worthwhile stance to take?

Bit of a ramble, but that's my thoughts on it all.
 
blueblue said:
I don't see how Everton are wasting money in this instance ?
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Without sounding harsh, it must cost the club resources and time training him and treating his injuries surely? Given he is not a paid employee anymore it could be argued that all of that could be better used towards the players who are going to play a part in our future. I do think we need to decide on what is happening with him tbh.
 
Simon Buttle said:
Without sounding harsh, it must cost the club resources and time training him and treating his injuries surely? Given he is not a paid employee anymore it could be argued that all of that could be better used towards the players who are going to play a part in our future. I do think we need to decide on what is happening with him tbh.
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I would guess all the resources are already in place and that no extra expenditure is needed for Dele. The medical and rehab teams are already there and busy as we know only too well.
He will be simply occupying space with Seamus, Youssef, Broja and others.
 

The whole farrago stems from someone being hypnotised by his reputation back in the day. And he's still sticking around.
When he first appeared on the pitch dressed like a scruff I somehow feared the worst. I mean.......come on.
 

Jacko93 said:
Regardless of whether he plays for us again, who he goes on to play for if at all, I think that much of the situation that has been created is an unfortunate outcome of ill thought out PSR punishments and the treatment of humans as monetary assets first. I don't think there can be any argument that Deles situation has been massively complicated by the whole PSR situation and creation of ridiculous contractual obligations on behalf of both clubs to ensure that money is made somewhere.

I think it's probably fair to suggest that had Dele been treated by football clubs as a human being plying a trade, rather than an asset who's value must be stripped and placed in a profit column, many of these problems he is currently facing could have been identified earlier and this ridiulous situation could have been avoided, ironically for the benefit of all.

I don't know if he's physically injured again, or whether this current strain has been more of a mental relapse, I would be surprised if anybody on here does.

What I do know though, is that the treatment of him by some fans on here as a monetary value to dumped, or simply a cost to be avoided is a disappointing one for me to see. It is maybe a reflection of the sport as it is now, where people must have, or at least pretend to have financial knowledge to predict a clubs league position or how they will set up tactically, down to whether they think a club that is proud of it's community actions should support a person affected by childhood trauma for free because of what he's earned in the past.

Dele needs to be given the space and support to do what is best for him and his recovery, in much the same way we would a recovering addict from down our own road. For the good of the human being that is presented, both clubs should drop any contractual agreement that may exist over payments or performance bonuses. If it is best for Dele to continue his recovery here, FOC, then so be it. We have an experienced team who have been lauded by past players for their support systems in situation of mental difficulties. If it is best for Dele to move on and focus on himself away from this country, then there should not be a contract that prevents him from doing so.

We need to deal with the person first. As we always should. We shouldn't be providing help in order to get favourable terms on a player who was very, very good in his hey-day (I don't personally belive that we are). We should be providing help for the single benefit of healing a soul. If they are, as I hope they are, the club facing any criticism for doing it, certainly from within our own fanbase is upsetting.

Aaron Lennon had all our support during his troubles. I don't remember many calling for him to be immediately released due to the challenges he faced, did he not earn enough for people to think that was a worthwhile stance to take?

Bit of a ramble, but that's my thoughts on it all.
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Great post. Like any signing, the information we have to date suggests that the club intends to make a decision based on the condition of the player, whether the player improves the squad, and whether the financial terms stack up, amongst other things. Until then the club is just treating Dele as a human being.
 
Jacko93 said:
Regardless of whether he plays for us again, who he goes on to play for if at all, I think that much of the situation that has been created is an unfortunate outcome of ill thought out PSR punishments and the treatment of humans as monetary assets first. I don't think there can be any argument that Deles situation has been massively complicated by the whole PSR situation and creation of ridiculous contractual obligations on behalf of both clubs to ensure that money is made somewhere.

I think it's probably fair to suggest that had Dele been treated by football clubs as a human being plying a trade, rather than an asset who's value must be stripped and placed in a profit column, many of these problems he is currently facing could have been identified earlier and this ridiulous situation could have been avoided, ironically for the benefit of all.

I don't know if he's physically injured again, or whether this current strain has been more of a mental relapse, I would be surprised if anybody on here does.

What I do know though, is that the treatment of him by some fans on here as a monetary value to dumped, or simply a cost to be avoided is a disappointing one for me to see. It is maybe a reflection of the sport as it is now, where people must have, or at least pretend to have financial knowledge to predict a clubs league position or how they will set up tactically, down to whether they think a club that is proud of it's community actions should support a person affected by childhood trauma for free because of what he's earned in the past.

Dele needs to be given the space and support to do what is best for him and his recovery, in much the same way we would a recovering addict from down our own road. For the good of the human being that is presented, both clubs should drop any contractual agreement that may exist over payments or performance bonuses. If it is best for Dele to continue his recovery here, FOC, then so be it. We have an experienced team who have been lauded by past players for their support systems in situation of mental difficulties. If it is best for Dele to move on and focus on himself away from this country, then there should not be a contract that prevents him from doing so.

We need to deal with the person first. As we always should. We shouldn't be providing help in order to get favourable terms on a player who was very, very good in his hey-day (I don't personally belive that we are). We should be providing help for the single benefit of healing a soul. If they are, as I hope they are, the club facing any criticism for doing it, certainly from within our own fanbase is upsetting.

Aaron Lennon had all our support during his troubles. I don't remember many calling for him to be immediately released due to the challenges he faced, did he not earn enough for people to think that was a worthwhile stance to take?

Bit of a ramble, but that's my thoughts on it all.
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Excellent post
 
Jacko93 said:
Regardless of whether he plays for us again, who he goes on to play for if at all, I think that much of the situation that has been created is an unfortunate outcome of ill thought out PSR punishments and the treatment of humans as monetary assets first. I don't think there can be any argument that Deles situation has been massively complicated by the whole PSR situation and creation of ridiculous contractual obligations on behalf of both clubs to ensure that money is made somewhere.

I think it's probably fair to suggest that had Dele been treated by football clubs as a human being plying a trade, rather than an asset who's value must be stripped and placed in a profit column, many of these problems he is currently facing could have been identified earlier and this ridiulous situation could have been avoided, ironically for the benefit of all.

I don't know if he's physically injured again, or whether this current strain has been more of a mental relapse, I would be surprised if anybody on here does.

What I do know though, is that the treatment of him by some fans on here as a monetary value to dumped, or simply a cost to be avoided is a disappointing one for me to see. It is maybe a reflection of the sport as it is now, where people must have, or at least pretend to have financial knowledge to predict a clubs league position or how they will set up tactically, down to whether they think a club that is proud of it's community actions should support a person affected by childhood trauma for free because of what he's earned in the past.

Dele needs to be given the space and support to do what is best for him and his recovery, in much the same way we would a recovering addict from down our own road. For the good of the human being that is presented, both clubs should drop any contractual agreement that may exist over payments or performance bonuses. If it is best for Dele to continue his recovery here, FOC, then so be it. We have an experienced team who have been lauded by past players for their support systems in situation of mental difficulties. If it is best for Dele to move on and focus on himself away from this country, then there should not be a contract that prevents him from doing so.

We need to deal with the person first. As we always should. We shouldn't be providing help in order to get favourable terms on a player who was very, very good in his hey-day (I don't personally belive that we are). We should be providing help for the single benefit of healing a soul. If they are, as I hope they are, the club facing any criticism for doing it, certainly from within our own fanbase is upsetting.

Aaron Lennon had all our support during his troubles. I don't remember many calling for him to be immediately released due to the challenges he faced, did he not earn enough for people to think that was a worthwhile stance to take?

Bit of a ramble, but that's my thoughts on it all.
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Very considerate, but I can’t agree with much of that if I’m honest.
Treated like a human being? In what possibly way is he not / has he not been treated like a human being and by whom? With what’s going on in the world today to suggest he’s being treated inhumanly is a gross exaggeration imho.
Any monetary / contractual obligations only exist between Everton and Spurs, there’s nothing stopping him from signing for any other club in the world for free if he wants. No one is holding him hostage under some draconian contract stopping him from playing football.
Equally for the good of his wellbeing being, he could retire to do pretty much anything else he can imagine if he wanted.
He is in an extremely fortunate situation that 99% of the world are not in, he can get whatever help he needs anywhere in the world, the very best help available to that 1% lucky enough to be able to access it. Furthermore he has a small army of managers, agents (inc his adopted brother) a loving adopted family and partner to help him.
Since when was Everton football club the world’s pre-eminent rehabilitation centre for physical or mental well being?
He still around for one reason and one reason only, he thinks / hopes / expects to be handed another contract, likely worth millions.
Of course there’s a flip side where someone at Everton bizarrely still thinks he might have something to offer to an elite level football club, but that makes him about as exploited as any other person trying to enter the work force, only in his case the upside is massive.
 
It's very Everton the way we are looking after a lad with well documented personal issues. As a blue I'm 100% behind this.

Talk of PSR needs to consider the optics for the Prem if they added the rehab of a player in Deli's situation. It would be jumped on and shredded very quickly if so and not just by the football community.
 

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