By the way, we've just won our last two games and scored three goals in each once the emphasis on Fellaini up front was lifted. Jelavic has been far more involved against Oldham and Reading; this is the way forward, but I'm 99% convinced that Felli will be lofted up top again soon and Neville will be in midfield alongside Osman or Gibson, because that's what Moyes does.
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Bigmaclad
No mate
Excellent point I didn't think of that. We probably put too much emphasis on the forward man, as often they have to run the whole front line on their own. Our midfielders rarely get up quickly enough to support them.
We were playing Reading and Oldham though, hardly top class defensive units.
kenada_blue
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How many did Yak score for Blackburn?
ijjysmith
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Something like 17 in 30 wasn't it?
It's telling that the Guardian only use Yakubu's stats, as their other examples fall down.
Bent scored 6 in 37 in his first season at Everton, and lost his place because he was never anything more than a hard working, limited forward.
Beattie scored, I think, 5-6 in his first 25-30 games for us. He was never 'ruined' by Moyes: just a really poor signing.
Saha was a risk, obviously. Far and away his best season with us was his second.
Andrew Johnson had a decent first season before picking up an injury in his second. He was asked to 'furrow the channels' in each, as he did at Palace before.
Moyes requests his strikers work hard, and there's no doubt that, on occasion, Jelavic has been outside the area when we need him in it. But that doesn't force him into fluffing chances and kicking air. There aren't many strikers at PL level who are just poachers anymore, and to accommodate one usually means a sacrifice somewhere else. That Jelavic went on a great run when he signed was excellent for us, but proved very little seeing how common it is for players to do that. This season was always going to be the reality. He's probably better than his last three or four months, but clearly not a player who can sustain world class 2 in 3 form over a season.
Bent scored 6 in 37 in his first season at Everton, and lost his place because he was never anything more than a hard working, limited forward.
Beattie scored, I think, 5-6 in his first 25-30 games for us. He was never 'ruined' by Moyes: just a really poor signing.
Saha was a risk, obviously. Far and away his best season with us was his second.
Andrew Johnson had a decent first season before picking up an injury in his second. He was asked to 'furrow the channels' in each, as he did at Palace before.
Moyes requests his strikers work hard, and there's no doubt that, on occasion, Jelavic has been outside the area when we need him in it. But that doesn't force him into fluffing chances and kicking air. There aren't many strikers at PL level who are just poachers anymore, and to accommodate one usually means a sacrifice somewhere else. That Jelavic went on a great run when he signed was excellent for us, but proved very little seeing how common it is for players to do that. This season was always going to be the reality. He's probably better than his last three or four months, but clearly not a player who can sustain world class 2 in 3 form over a season.
Bigmaclad
No mate
I've just looked it up and since leaving Everton Yakubu has had a record has been better that 1 in every 2 games for each respective club he's played for. So I retract the statement about Yakubu not recovering.
Leicester City 20 app 11 goals = A goal every 1.8 games
Blackburn Rovers 30 app 17 goals = A goal every 1.76 games
Guangzhou R&F 14 app 9 goals = A goal every 1.5 games.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
I know he wanted a pay increase and Moyes wouldn't give it to him. Remember when he bossed the RS when we won 2.0? It was around that time.
I've always thought Moyes shouldve got the performances out of him rather than gradually push him out.
James beattie
05/06 32 games 10 goals
06/07 33 games 2 goals
SOLD
Andy johnson
06/07 32 games 11 goals
07/08 29 games 6 goals
SOLD
Yakubu
07/08 29 games 15 goals
08/09 14 games 4 goals (injured)
09/10 25 games 4 goals
10/11 14 games 1 goal
SOLD
jelavic
11/12(half season) 13 games 9 goals
12/13 (so far) 27 games 6 goals
all four strikers had been regularly scoring in their leagues before we signed them either 1 in 2 or 1 in 3, and had been scoring consistently for at least 2 seasons.
Aj and beattie actually managed 20+ goals in a premier league season 2 seasons before we signed them.
05/06 32 games 10 goals
06/07 33 games 2 goals
SOLD
Andy johnson
06/07 32 games 11 goals
07/08 29 games 6 goals
SOLD
Yakubu
07/08 29 games 15 goals
08/09 14 games 4 goals (injured)
09/10 25 games 4 goals
10/11 14 games 1 goal
SOLD
jelavic
11/12(half season) 13 games 9 goals
12/13 (so far) 27 games 6 goals
all four strikers had been regularly scoring in their leagues before we signed them either 1 in 2 or 1 in 3, and had been scoring consistently for at least 2 seasons.
Aj and beattie actually managed 20+ goals in a premier league season 2 seasons before we signed them.
Seeing him line up for a champs league qualifier though did make me think we hadn't done sterling work in the summer window, agreed though, gave us all, and still speaks highly of the club, considering hes been through more clubs than van der meyde, that say a lot
Anyone want to name a similarly financed club who score more goals than Everton in the Premier League?
I'll save you the bother - over the last 10 years there hasn't been one.
So once again we have the usual suspects moaning for the sake of moaning.
Moyes system sees our midfielders scoring proportionally more goals than our strikers. But would people rather the striker scored and the midfielders/defenders didn't?
Yes we'd all rather than the strikers scored more AND the midfielders continued to score but given no other team achieves this is it realistic?
I'll save you the bother - over the last 10 years there hasn't been one.
So once again we have the usual suspects moaning for the sake of moaning.
Moyes system sees our midfielders scoring proportionally more goals than our strikers. But would people rather the striker scored and the midfielders/defenders didn't?
Yes we'd all rather than the strikers scored more AND the midfielders continued to score but given no other team achieves this is it realistic?
We play one striker in the formation that saw us go 11th, 6th, 5th in the years you mention so it didn't exactly harm us.
So Beattie was replaced by AJ who was replaced by Yakubu in 3 succesive seasons. After that we went a full season without any striker fit and still finished 5th.
So in conclusion - strikers meh.
As long as the goals go in.
dholliday
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The goals that are going in are just enough for us to consistently finish Best Of The Rest (aka: 7th Place Trophy).
We're Evertonians, so of course after a few seasons of that, we want more (regardless of the excuses as to why we're not geting more).
You do realise Timak that there is an actual league, right?
Teams don't just turn up hand over their financial reports and get given a league place based on that.
Teams don't just turn up hand over their financial reports and get given a league place based on that.
we should just be grateful for were we are, and never question comrade moyes, comrade moyes is always right, remember what life was like under jones
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