What are your views on Mancini's & AVB's lack of prep?

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I don't think 'AVB' underprepared. He faps over us every time we're mentioned and I think he genuinely likes us. It's just that the current Chelsea team are poor compared to previous ones, and I don't think his managerial style suits the players or the country. Plus, we played well yesterday and when we do that we can beat anyone in the league as we've shown recently.

Mancini, on the other hand, is a bell.
 
In my view AVB didn't disrespect us. On the contrary, I'd say. It takes some balls to admit that you took a lesson from a lesser group of players.

By stating he didn't prepare his team well enough it can be read as "the outcome of the match proved that we didn't work hard enough to get it".
 
sotnas said:
In my view AVB didn't disrespect us. On the contrary, I'd say. It takes some balls to admit that you took a lesson from a lesser group of players.

By stating he didn't prepare his team well enough it can be read as "the outcome of the match proved that we didn't work hard enough to get it".
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The difference between AVB and Mancini is Mancini just expected to win; his attitude stunk.

I like AVB, his football philosophy is right; he's just got an ageing squad and will feel the wrath if he drops certain people. I've never seen a team line-up like them, Cole and Bosingwa so far up the pitch was unreal
 

I'd quite like it if the rest of the teams we come up against us this season 'underestimate' us.


interestingly though, after the citeh game AVB had this to say....

Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas has insisted his side will not underestimate Everton on Saturday.The Blues head into this weekend’s match on the back of a three-goal collapse at StamfordBridge last Sunday against Manchester United, with the game finishing 3-3.

In the aftermath of Manchester City’s 1-0 defeat at Goodison Park less than a fortnight ago, Citizens boss Roberto Mancini admitted he has miscalculated the quality of David Moyes’ men.


However, the former Porto man revealed to reporters on Friday: “We never underestimate Everton because our record at Goodison Park is not impressive.


“It is a difficult place to go, and a team that has made a great transfer market without a lot of noise, but with the right buys.


“It is fantastic to see [new signing] Darron Gibson playing more often because he is a player of immense talent and Landon Donovan coming back to a place he knows well.


“I think the additions they made were fantastic, improving them a level and making them even more difficult to play against.â€￾


Chelsea have beaten the Toffees twice this season, with a 3-1 victory at Stamford Bridge in the league followed by a 2-1 triumph in the League Cup.


“They have improved a lot from when we played them first [this season],â€￾ Villas-Boas admitted.


“Everton are always a solid team and can create problems, plus the environment of Goodison Park is never easy.


“Their situation in the league at the moment is 11th, but very close to eighth place, which will straight away change the perspective.â€￾


Villas-Boas added that Everton’s mediocre position in the Premier League table belies the threat the team pose.


He added: “Everton are always a solid team and can create problems, plus the environment of Goodison Park is never easy.


“Their situation in the league at the moment is 11th, but very close to eighth place, which will straight away change the perspective.â€￾


Although the 34-year-old has tried to forget the capitulation at Stamford Bridge last weekend, he accepted he was left frustrated with the decisions of referee Howard Webb who awarded the visitors two penalties.


“It is frustrating seeing a penalty like that given,â€￾ the 34-year-old lamented. “There must be a new rule set out; we have them for two-footed tackles, now we have to have them for players who stand out their leg on purpose, clipping the leg of a defender on purpose to fall to give a penalty.


“On the same weekend, we had two incidents of that from [Manchester City winger] Adam Johnson and [Manchester United striker Danny] Welbeck.


“So there needs to be a new rule for penalties when the attacker purposely sticks his foot out to dive for a penalty.â€￾
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Utd fans that I know were looking forward to City coming to Goodison, they felt we might turn them over. I have no doubt that City and Chelsea felt the same.

The alternative is to say, we weren't good enough or acknowledge that Everton found a way of beating them which would give other teams a real boost against them. A lot of teams have rolled over against City but once you realize that they really only play one way, you can give yourself a chance against them.

The key against them is don't let your centre backs be drawn out of position, the only way to do this is to pack the area in front of the centre backs (with Gibson and Fellaini), force them wide where they don't like to cross it - & they'll just keep coming back inside.

We gave ourselves a chance. The other factor is that their defenders are not good under pressure, they're used to teams dropping off them, we played with tempo and once the crowd got into it we didn't let the tempo dip.

I think City can be beaten tactically whereas UTD have too much variety, against UTD you just have to play well and hope they don't.
 
Its a typical tactic that I actually learned as a salesman that has proven effects.
A buye asks you if you have done something ......... by completely accepting that you haven and issuing an apology it completely deflates the potential inflamation of a situation.
So "I'm sorry, I didnt get the figures you needed and I apologize, next time I will ensure I have those for you"

Its proven, obviously its best not to forget in the first place but you catch my drift..................you do dont you ?
 
dholliday said:
One thing I just don't understand after our brilliant wins against Man City and Chelsea is the opposing manager's excuse during the post-match interview, paraphrasing:

"I guess I didn't prepare well enough, we probably thought the match was gonna be easier."

It's incredible! Why do you think they would admit that on national TV? It makes both their manager and the players look like idiots.

Further, it seems impossible anyone chasing the title could under-estimate Everton at Goodison Park as any look at the final tables at the end of the last 10 seasons will see we're generally among the best 6 teams in the country, and as much as we like to complain we're also one of the most stable tactically, having had the same manager for that time.

Mancini's excuse was bad enough given we'd already beaten his team more than once before that game, but for Andre Villas Boas to make the same statement so shortly after Mancini is just strange. I've never heard such excuses before, at least not regarding us at home.

Mancini and AVB should count themselves fantastically fortunate that they've been able to come to England to manage their first Premiership clubs with hundreds of millions of Sterling available to them. Their lack of preparation is bad enough and shows how average they would be at a less monied club, but their admittance of it is even more astonishing. And I can't understand how such a statement would somehow protect their own players, for they are almost as culpable.





I think this little admittance touches upon how much we were ignored by the mainstream media even when we were consistently finishing 5th and 6th (and how MOTD generally don't like to focus on us). This lack of attention is so effective that opposing foreign managers still don't appreciate how strong we really are.


Maybe there's a simple explanation that ties all this: our fan-base just isn't broad enough to warrant mainstream attention, which is why outside of the old big-4, clubs like Man City, Spurs and now Newcastle seem to get more focus than we did when they have good seasons.

That may be, but it's surely no excuse for a top-level Prem manager to under-prepare like that.


What are your thoughts, or am I just babbling?
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TBF, in macinis defense he was at the game when we played fulham, and although we got the win the football played was piss poor. so he probably thought we would play like that again.

they were also unlucky, hitting the bar twice and the losing to a deflected goal.

but chelsea were just poor from start to finish and offered nothing they deserved the 2-0 defeat hands down
 

When we played both City and Chelsea earlier in the season they both had comfortable wins.I think that City in particular thought that it would be a repeat of the first game with a determined Everton overpowered by the class and skill of City.
It is probably something similar for Chelsea.
How many Everton supporters predicted six points from the two games ?
 
Agreed with the first few responses, he's taking the pressure off the players. Zero chance they didn't prepare for this match. It's easier to say what he said than to say Torres is where attacks go to die and Donovan completely dominated Cashley Cole on both ends of the pitch.
 

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