Well, the Ba$tards did it! Banned the ENTIRE team.

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BiggyRat

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As a Bombers fan I'm glad I'm not the only one pissed off by this.

just ridiculous the persecution going on.
The Players knew nothing about it, trusted the Club doctor and have certification from the Club telling them that the injections they were given were legal.

It's another season down the toilet for the Bombers.
Lives wrecked.
 
SpurtingLesbian said:
As a Bombers fan I'm glad I'm not the only one pissed off by this.

just ridiculous the persecution going on.
The Players knew nothing about it, trusted the Club doctor and have certification from the Club telling them that the injections they were given were legal.

It's another season down the toilet for the Bombers.
Lives wrecked.
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Do you not think there is a slight chance that the club have concocted that storyline to try and avoid just this kind of scenario and hang one person out to dry rather than the entire playing staff? If they were doping then they should not be allowed to play, regardless of whether they intended to dope or not as they're gaining an advantage over those that haven't doped.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Do you not think there is a slight chance that the club have concocted that storyline to try and avoid just this kind of scenario and hang one person out to dry rather than the entire playing staff? If they were doping then they should not be allowed to play, regardless of whether they intended to dope or not as they're gaining an advantage over those that haven't doped.
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That's not quite the case though.

If Everton authorised the Club Doctor to give 'vitamin' injections to the players assured the players they were legal when they asked, would you see any of our players refusing the injections?
Would you expect the players to then be banned for a year for doing what the Club told them and following the Club Doctors advice and despite having clean drug tests?

The intense 3-4? year investigation found the players knew little about what was in the injections and that the Club said they had very little knowledge of the exact drugs being used (no proof they did), just that it was the doctors recommendation that they be given. The Players were found innocent because there were no illegal drugs found in their systems and the whole charges were based upon finding out that there was a programme of injections, and on investigation some of the drugs were illegal.
The appeal states that they all must have been doped at some point and therefore should be banned for a year, no excuses/circumstances/lack of evidence would be listened to.

It seems to be obvious that the Illegal drugs were probably administered but as the players and the drug testers didn't know/detect it, how can they be certain enough to ban the entire squad from 5 years ago from earning a living. Half the players have moved on. How would we feel if Rom was banned for a year because 5 years ago he got some injections from the Doctor at Chelsea that may have been illegal even though there was no drug test (in the entire squad) to confirm it?
 

SpurtingLesbian said:
That's not quite the case though.

If Everton authorised the Club Doctor to give 'vitamin' injections to the players assured the players they were legal when they asked, would you see any of our players refusing the injections?
Would you expect the players to then be banned for a year for doing what the Club told them and following the Club Doctors advice and despite having clean drug tests?
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I'm afraid I would, yes. In terms of evidence of drugs such as EPO, it can often be out of ones system in a matter of days, which is why a lot of sports are now developing things like the biological passport to monitor trends over a period of time rather than hoping to effectively catch someone red handed.

The thing is, the benefits of doping are said to extend for years after the doping took place, which is why people are so disgruntled about people like Justin Gatlin being allowed back into competition. Of course it's unfortunate that players have been caught up, and there was a long history in east Europe of athletes being given all sorts against their will, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to compete given that they have an unfair advantage still over those who did not dope.

Ignorance is no defence I'm afraid.
 
This has been going on for a long time and good on them for catching the cheaters.

As fans you definitely have the right to feel cheated, but that's what happens when you support a bunch of whoppers. Go Swannies.
 
BiggyRat said:
Following on from my previous thread...

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...nned-for-using-banned-substances.53164/page-7

Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned an Acquittal and applied the maximum penalty to the players. Quite a turnaround.

Only 12 players are still at the club but that's enough to consider 2016 as a write off before a ball is bounced!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-drug-scandal-cas-verdict-on-bombers-live-coverage/news-story/f34f161721b0d0806273808da5dade18#itm=newscomau|sport|ncam-story-body-link|3|http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-drug-scandal-cas-verdict-on-bombers-live-coverage/news-story/f34f161721b0d0806273808da5dade18|story|‘Not guilty would have set damaging precedent’&itmt=1452594513098
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Bruce Wayne said:
Do you not think there is a slight chance that the club have concocted that storyline to try and avoid just this kind of scenario and hang one person out to dry rather than the entire playing staff? If they were doping then they should not be allowed to play, regardless of whether they intended to dope or not as they're gaining an advantage over those that haven't doped.
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Bruce Wayne said:
I'm afraid I would, yes. In terms of evidence of drugs such as EPO, it can often be out of ones system in a matter of days, which is why a lot of sports are now developing things like the biological passport to monitor trends over a period of time rather than hoping to effectively catch someone red handed.

The thing is, the benefits of doping are said to extend for years after the doping took place, which is why people are so disgruntled about people like Justin Gatlin being allowed back into competition. Of course it's unfortunate that players have been caught up, and there was a long history in east Europe of athletes being given all sorts against their will, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to compete given that they have an unfair advantage still over those who did not dope.

Ignorance is no defence I'm afraid.
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As @Bruce Wayne said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21363100
Australian sport rocked by doping inquiry
  • 7 February 2013 From the section::Asia
Its a clear deterent strategy in play from the Australian regulators which CAS has supported in its judgement.

The regulators were also highly concerned that organised crime was involved and there was one example of match fixing due to the links between the criminals and clubs/athletes.

The other item of concern is that they were using drugs that have not been approved for human use (that means unlicenced drugs) which means that the long term health of these athletes has potentially been impacted (endocrine disruptors; risks of cancer; risks of their children getting developmental defects)

You may be upset by the judgement. However, surely you want your sports to be clean and free of the potential taint of match fixing.

Also I would be keen to know any statistics of athletes who've been found drugs cheating - dropping dead, getting cancer or their kids being impacted due to drugs cheating.

The doctors and sports scientists also involved need jail time as do the athletes who've been cheating.


If Everton were ever stupid enough to get into this position there would be uproar amongst our fans. Plus people would be calling for those involved to go to jail.
 

Lol Damon's back.

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BiggyRat said:
Following on from my previous thread...

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...nned-for-using-banned-substances.53164/page-7

Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned an Acquittal and applied the maximum penalty to the players. Quite a turnaround.

Only 12 players are still at the club but that's enough to consider 2016 as a write off before a ball is bounced!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-drug-scandal-cas-verdict-on-bombers-live-coverage/news-story/f34f161721b0d0806273808da5dade18#itm=newscomau|sport|ncam-story-body-link|3|http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-drug-scandal-cas-verdict-on-bombers-live-coverage/news-story/f34f161721b0d0806273808da5dade18|story|‘Not guilty would have set damaging precedent’&itmt=1452594513098
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I personally applaud the Australian authorities for going after the cheats and taking no prisoners.

They are setting a shining example for not tolerating drug cheating in sports that other countries should follow.

@McBain
 
bizzaro said:
I personally applaud the Australian authorities for going after the cheats and taking no prisoners.

They are setting a shining example for not tolerating drug cheating in sports that other countries should follow.

@McBain
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they should ban some players at other teams too, they haven't failed a drugs test either....
 

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