Well said Mark O'Brien

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Seems a rather pointless article.

The media have said Gerrard will have to go to court in between both derbies - Check!
Relations between both sets of fans are at all time low - Check!
Gerrard will get abuse or 'run the gauntlet' at both derbies - Check!

What exactly is Marks point?
 
His point is fairly clear I would have thought: Everton have been dragged into the fray. Why? He implies it's to muddy the waters of responsibility. I agree with him.
 
there are a lot of r/s in the media and i can see in the run-up to the 1st game a lot directed from them towards us Evertonians. i fear that the slightest thing at the first game will ignite a frenzy to condemn us all. it wont matter if cups of excrement are thrown down on our section AGAIN, it wont matter if one of our players is assaulted AGAIN even if 5 lids sing "that song" we will face widespread condemnation. i can see us being heavily criticised for anything that would any other time be ignored. i can also see it being so bad in the build up that things can only go tits up for us, we are on a hiding to nothing.in the aftermath of the 1st game will see allsorts levelled at us, all this and 6,000 of the horrible Evertonians due back.
it will spark merseysides biggest ever police operation for a football game in the city and then we really will realise that "derby day" has definately gone forever as a lot of us have known it. as has been said before, a whole generation have now never experienced a derby without hatred, i for one wish it woulkd return, this has obviously happened as stadia have become all seater as no longer can we take the kop like in the old days when the main stand side was always a mass of blue, it was that that stopped the mingling of fans, to the point we are at now where there is no mixing and anyone daring to go with their mate/brother/arl fella/ wife/kid will be pointed out to stewards and removed for daring to celebrate a goal.
it's sad that it's all ended up this way, we have had a part in it but we aren't wholly responsible as is made out.
 
Anyone fancy a laugh? Thought i'd post this from another forum in post on. Its an delusional rs fan (in bold text) replying to a West Ham fan.:

"What straws am I clutching at? I read certain papers. Within those papers, they seem to have lots of Liverpool fans with laptops and they do not seem to get negative press in the way other teams do.

Journalists with laptops eh? The bastards. The Times and the Guardian just report the truth and fair and accurate analysis. Perhaps it's your biases that lead you to expect and want negative press for Liverpool. Every other club gets fair press in those papers. There's rarely undue negativity or scaremongering in papers like that.

I've watched Liverpool pretty much every time they're on TV because we watch a large percentage of whatever is on in my house. I've been distinctly unimpressed. I cannot comment on the relative bias of Andy Gray becayse I barely listen to him now due to his anti-referee stance.

All the pundits on Sky are fiercely anti-Liverpool, and anti-Benitez, not just Andy Gray. Soccer Saturday is one big Liverpool-ripping session, Thommo is treated as the laughing stock and whipping boy. Merson, Le Tissier and Nicholas despise Liverpool just as much as you do. If you can't understand why the team that outplayed and beat Chelsea and United are top of the league, then I really can't help you.



An Everton fan was accusing the papers of sweeping despicable Liverpool chanting under the carpet, while other papers are sensationalising a chant which brings the paternity of Gerrard's kid into question. That's selective reporting at best.

Not to excuse those chants, because I hate all that [Poor language removed], but the ones about Lescott and Carsley are only ever chanted to drown out the Gerrard chants, and were only ever created for that reason. And it's not selective reporting at all. It was an article about Gerrard, so he mentioned the stick he gets. It wasn't an article about Lescott or Carsley or the chants at Merseyside derbies.



I'm not the only person I've ever met who think the media are pro-Liverpool. Maybe it's a London thing but if I brought up this subject with every hardcore football fan I know, they'd all say the same thing - the majority of the media fawn all over Liverpool. I watch Match of the Day every week. Could you accuse Hansen and Lawrenson of being anti-Liverpool?

Yep. Hansen's a United fan, Lawrenson is constantly critical of all the old dinosaur Benitez bugbears, zonal marking, rotation and all that [Poor language removed]. The majority of the media are pro-United, Ferguson and Wenger, and Sky are pro-Chelsea. Maybe your friends would say the same thing, but they're probably all bitter Hammers too.

I know you're upset that your entire team's getting sold off, but can you take it out on your owners instead of Liverpool. We're not to blame."
 

deathbyropeandglass said:
An Everton fan was accusing the papers of sweeping despicable Liverpool chanting under the carpet, while other papers are sensationalising a chant which brings the paternity of Gerrard's kid into question. That's selective reporting at best.
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This is taken from the UKFF right? I am the Everton fan being referred to here (I post there as 'Pinc').
 
What the [Poor language removed] is it with RS fans. They are so delusional AND paranoid.

I don't recall the meedja being dead set against the RS campaign to get into the 2006 Champions League. I don't recall a stink over Athens after all the ticketing fiasco and fans breaking in (not to make too much of the fights outside the ground eh?)

I do however know that there are a whole load of RS reporters all over the mainstream press - like Phil McNulty (BBC/elsewhere) and Tony Evans (Times) not to mention of course the less than adorable and vehemently anti-Everton Alan Green.
 
davek said:
His point is fairly clear I would have thought: Everton have been dragged into the fray. Why? He implies it's to muddy the waters of responsibility. I agree with him.
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Spot on precis. I don't see what was unclear in O'Brien's piece.
Timely and wholly appropriate comment, well argued, good article.
 


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