Welfare reform

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Could be wrong here but I believe welfare benefits make up around 40% of government spending? If so, that arguably needs to be cut given the dreadful state the country is in. I'm not a raging supply-side Thatcherite by ANY means but it's got to be pain before gain. If we ever see a gain that is.
 

paulbefc said:
Could be wrong here but I believe welfare benefits make up around 40% of government spending? If so, that arguably needs to be cut given the dreadful state the country is in. I'm not a raging supply-side Thatcherite by ANY means but it's got to be pain before gain. If we ever see a gain that is.
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How about attacking the people who caused the problem in the first place and gained from it , the rich .
 
If done correctly (big if) it wouldn't necessarily hit the most vulnerable - it would just weed out the bludgers and the 'professional doleys'.

People who genuinely can't work for health reasons will not be forced to.
 
heatmeiser said:
If done correctly (big if) it wouldn't necessarily hit the most vulnerable - it would just weed out the bludgers and the 'professional doleys'.

People who genuinely can't work for health reasons will not be forced to.
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Heat - it's not to do with whether people work, or not. It's things like GP's Patient records will not be taken into account for the new ' independent study ' against claimants
 

Jib in lad said:
How about attacking the people who caused the problem in the first place and gained from it , the rich .
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At the risk of a tirade of abuse, we are achieving virtually no economic growth at the moment. Without it, we can't raise living standards for ANY level of income. Taxing the rich too heavily could have a quite significant negative effect on the already weak financial sector of the economy (the most important export we produce). I could try to explain how but might not be the best person to do it. Also, if you are a budding entrepreneur with a tight budget to try and get your business up and running, would you be incentivised if all of a sudden taxes were raised and your chances of being a success were narrowed even further?

I'm not saying I'm right and anyone else is wrong. This is a damn sensitive area to cut in but the economy is on it's knees. I'd love to hear an alternative soltution that could narrow income differentials at the same time but I doubt there is one.
 
paulbefc said:
At the risk of a tirade of abuse, we are achieving virtually no economic growth at the moment. Without it, we can't raise living standards for ANY level of income. Taxing the rich too heavily could have a quite significant negative effect on the already weak financial sector of the economy (the most important export we produce). I could try to explain how but might not be the best person to do it. Also, if you are a budding entrepreneur with a tight budget to try and get your business up and running, would you be incentivised if all of a sudden taxes were raised and your chances of being a success were narrowed even further?

I'm not saying I'm right and anyone else is wrong. This is a damn sensitive area to cut in but the economy is on it's knees. I'd love to hear an alternative soltution that could narrow income differentials at the same time but I doubt there is one.
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Might be worth adding that my old man's a psychiatrist and is absolutely fuming at the cuts to the NHS. I see it from both angles but unlike Labour, I think we have to be realistic.
 
paulbefc said:
At the risk of a tirade of abuse, we are achieving virtually no economic growth at the moment. Without it, we can't raise living standards for ANY level of income. Taxing the rich too heavily could have a quite significant negative effect on the already weak financial sector of the economy (the most important export we produce). I could try to explain how but might not be the best person to do it. Also, if you are a budding entrepreneur with a tight budget to try and get your business up and running, would you be incentivised if all of a sudden taxes were raised and your chances of being a success were narrowed even further?

I'm not saying I'm right and anyone else is wrong. This is a damn sensitive area to cut in but the economy is on it's knees. I'd love to hear an alternative soltution that could narrow income differentials at the same time but I doubt there is one.
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Tax the rich, stop taxing the poor so heavily, stop leaving the vulnerable in worse conditions and give thieving MP's the same sentences as riotors, remove the powers from the banks, more lending to smaller business'

it may not improve the economy, but it will restore some faith in the leaders.
 
Land Tax; proper Capital Gains tax; go after all the businesses who tax evade - leave the poor and vulnerable with some dignity and in peace.

Not too much to ask for humans to sort out.

Of course it wont happen because these people are utter scum. I sincerely hope they die in a wheelie bin up some blind alley drinking methylated spirits whilst mulling over their dsgusting existence.
 
Bryan said:
Actually, http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmtreasury/sets/72157625203358900/show/

Says DWP is £7.8b - thats not close to 40% ( am i reading that wrong )
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Could be right, I can't navigate those slides at all. The one called "total managed expenditure and receipts" shows welfare as the highest form of government spending in the economy above health and education. Doesn't look like 40% (so I got that wrong, I guess) but it is the biggest chunk of our spending.
 

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